$2 NLHE Full Ring: Should I call his re-raise preflop?

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Pre-flop: ($0.05) Hero is UTG and dealt :9s4: :9c4:
Hero raises to $0.04, MP raises to $0.14, 6 folds, Hero calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.33) :kh4: :9d4: :10s4: (3 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $0.24, Hero raises to $3.74 (All-in), MP calls $1.75 (All-in)

Turn: ($6.06) :kh4: :9d4: :10s4: :6d4: (3 players)

River: ($6.06) :kh4: :9d4: :10s4: :6d4: :2s4: (3 players)


I got better than 2:1 for calling his re-raise so is that an ok call?

And what about the call on the flop?
 
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For starters, what made you think min-betting pre- was a better choice than opening for a more standard amount?

When you get 3-bet, it's not just the pot odds you should look at. With 99 OOP, calling means you're basically set-mining, so you should also consider the implied odds. In this case, he has 1.99 behind and you're looking at .10 more, which is 20x, which is probably the most widely used guideline. So by this standard, it's okay to call.
 
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Arj, I used to open 3xbb always no matter card or position,this way im unreadable, but read about warying sices the other day. I think my rational for min raise was that im in a bad position and my cards are not that good, but instead of limping or folding I thought I take the chance and see if i could see a cheap flop.
 
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c9: You think 99 is not enough in EP? What would you raise with 1010+ ?
 
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Don't really like mini raising this preflop. I guess as played the call is fine though given the stacks and the 3bet size.
 
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Raise to 3x and then fold to the 3 bet.

As played the call is okay pre given stack sizes. Although being oop I would lean towards a fold.
 
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Arj, I used to open 3xbb always no matter card or position,this way im unreadable, but read about warying sices the other day. I think my rational for min raise was that im in a bad position and my cards are not that good, but instead of limping or folding I thought I take the chance and see if i could see a cheap flop.
What was your plan beyond this? You can't think ahead to every possible thing that could happen, but what possibilities did you consider before you decided to min-bet? My point here is that you've given no indication that you're thinking past what to do right now, and that if this is so, you need to train yourself to think ahead.
 
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Arj, I used to open 3xbb always no matter card or position,this way im unreadable, but read about warying sices the other day. I think my rational for min raise was that im in a bad position and my cards are not that good, but instead of limping or folding I thought I take the chance and see if i could see a cheap flop.

Dont vary the sizes of your raises unless there's a big fish at the table who calls anything and you have a great hand. Then you can raise much more.

Stop thinking people are reading you at 2nl. No one is. If anything, raising the same amount makes you just as unreadable since you always raise 3x with whatever you have.
 
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Dont vary the sizes of your raises unless there's a big fish at the table who calls anything and you have a great hand. Then you can raise much more.

Stop thinking people are reading you at 2nl. No one is. If anything, raising the same amount makes you just as unreadable since you always raise 3x with whatever you have.
These two things are somewhat contradictory. If no one is reading you, then it suggests there's no harm from varying your opening size. You don't need to restrict yourself to big fish situations because the normal loose passive fish who are basically everywhere will fit the bill just fine.
 
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I like a slightly larger raise at this limit and OOP with this hand here.

Why, bc no one is following bet sizing closely enough for them to catch on to anything at this limit, and two, I dont necessarily want people floating a smallish bet on the flop personally.


Now if you want to play 99 only for set value...this bet sizing is perfect...to me 99 has too much equity to do that versus a range of playable hands.

Just my 2 cents.

Oh and a call is mandatory here given the effective implied odds and his reraise.
 
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As others have said, I would definitely raise more pre (3-4x).

Is a 4-bet absolutely terrible here? Villian may think the min-bet looks weak and is trying to take the pot now. a min-raise followed by a 4-bet looks extremely strong (plan to fold to a 5-bet). This could be awful but wanted to see if anyone thought this could be a good play.

Once you hit your set, you have to call the flop. Even if has JQ, the board could still pair.
 
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No offense...but why would we want to 4 bet here?

We fold out a lot of worse hands that we can get a flop Bet out of and we lose set mining often...plus we are building a huge pot OOP with a middle pair which usually doesnt flop INCREDIBLY well.

Just saying...this isnt a donkament, it isnt like a significant portion of our stack is in the pot at this point to spazz a 4b on.
 
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These two things are somewhat contradictory. If no one is reading you, then it suggests there's no harm from varying your opening size. You don't need to restrict yourself to big fish situations because the normal loose passive fish who are basically everywhere will fit the bill just fine.

I'm sorry, I meant don't vary your raise sizes for deception purposes at the low stakes. If you want to vary them depending on your table (e.g. raising smaller on the button when there's two nits in the blinds or raising larger with your good hands because there's a huge fish at the table) by all means go ahead.

But if you DO want to be deceptive down there, I'd think that keeping your raise sizes the same would be a pretty effective.
 
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BB: $2.36
UTG Hero: $3.88
UTG+1: $1.01 (sitting out)
MP: $2.13
MP+1: $2.08
MP+2: $0.77
CO: $1
BTN: $2.04

Pre-flop: ($0.05) Hero is UTG and dealt :9s4: :9c4:
Hero raises to $0.04, MP raises to $0.14, 6 folds, Hero calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.33) :kh4: :9d4: :10s4: (3 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $0.24, Hero raises to $3.74 (All-in), MP calls $1.75 (All-in)

Turn: ($6.06) :kh4: :9d4: :10s4: :6d4: (3 players)

River: ($6.06) :kh4: :9d4: :10s4: :6d4: :2s4: (3 players)


I got better than 2:1 for calling his re-raise so is that an ok call?

And what about the call on the flop?

open x3 at least. as played calling the 3b is fine imo considering stack sizes.

what call on the flop, you check shoved?
 
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My thinking was that if you call the 3-bet and there are overcards- what is our line? Are we playing 99 purely to set mine here?

The villain could also have a higher pair then ours, and we lose a ton of money if no overcards come. Maybe it would be to see just how good is hand is depending on if he calls or 5-bet/shoves?

I am not saying it is the best play to take at all, and may be just plain stupid, but wanted to know our plan here if we don't hit the 9 on the flop.
 
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Sorry js, I meant shove. What about my shove, allright?
 
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