$2 NLHE Full Ring: Should I have called here with AA

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PartyGaming - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
CO: $2.00
BTN: $2.29
SB: $2.00
BB: $0.68
UTG: $1.94
Hero (UTG+1): $3.21
MP: $2.19
SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has A A
fold, Hero raises to $0.06, MP calls $0.06, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.15, 2 players) 6 Q Q
Hero checks, MP checks

Turn: ($0.15, 2 players) K
Hero bets $0.07, MP raises to $0.50, Hero calls $0.43

River: ($1.15, 2 players) 3
Hero checks, MP bets $1.63 and is all-in, ?????? WHAT TO DO HERE ???
MP wins $1.10
What about my preflop raise, too small?
I was scared about the two QQ on the flop so I chose to check, is that Ok?
I had no idea of what he could have on the turn and chose to make a small bet (wrong eh?). I then chose to call his raise since, by the check on he flop it did not look like he had a Q unless he slowplayed. Is this sencible reading?
What about his all-in on the river, looks like he hit a flush draw with a K eh?
 
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I bet the flop small. There is still value to be had from weaker pocketpairs, float and flush draws.

As played I fold the turn fast, that is one huge raise. If he is bluffing good for him. There is many a queen he can hold and no kings he will play this way bar KQ.

As played fold the river.
 
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call all day you have best hand its so obvious
 
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call all day you have best hand its so obvious


So your saying OP has the best hand because, he has AA on that board+with all that added aggression on the turn+An A.I on the river to reconfirm that the villain is not joking here..Plz Let me understand this theory of yours and how OP ever has the winner here
 
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Why do you wanna bet the flop small Deco? Most PP's and flush draws are going to call a near pot sized bet here regardless of size imo. Definitely betting flop and turn and folding to raises.
 
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We need to know if villain is capable of a two street bluff or semi-bluff.

If he is tight and passive it is a definite fold probably on the flop.

LAGs however are capable of this play with zilch.

I always play the player and his range, then my hand, when making a decision.
 
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Why do you wanna bet the flop small Deco? Most PP's and flush draws are going to call a near pot sized bet here regardless of size imo. Definitely betting flop and turn and folding to raises.

I want to keep the pot small. Because due to floats and draws I'm obliged to bet the turn if I bet the flop and it's pretty thin betting both streets when we likely have to call a river bet when the draws miss. If we potted both streets we would lose many of the underpairs and commit our stack if we hope to bluff catch the draws.

The more I look at this the more I like the weird flop check. The flop bet more or less commits us to three streets or else allows draws to bluff us on the river. The river is a horrible spot as we don't even know if the draws flat here yet there are loads of Qx combos and no worse value betting.
 
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I'm pretty fine with potting the flop, betting like 1/2 pot or so on the turn and check calling missed draws on rivers. You basically said yourself reasons why we should bet bigger, because if he has many draws in his range then ch/calling rivers is cool. I'm not saying bet turn pot aswel, but i dont see a reason for missing flop value when everything thats gonna call is pretty much gonna call. Yeah we lose bigger pots when he has the rare Q or makes his draw maybe but i think its far more valuable just betting the flop big as like you said, even floats can call here, flush draws, smaller pairs.
 
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I do believe potting flop is more profitable for the flop isolated in itself but the turn and river actions costing us far more money are unlikely profitable. It's all very well to think we're making money from draws on the flop but only if we can showdown against those draws. I don't believe there are enough of them to profitably do so especially when villains river bet and to an extent villains turn call will not have the underpairs that make the flop bet as profitable as it is.
 
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I think I've changed my mind and prefer check/calling the flop even if it feels incredibly weak. Isn't really too far off check/calling JJ on a Kxsxs flop.
Lets say we're facing a tag this line is going to be disasterous whilst it will reap a mild profit at best vs a fish.

Flop (This won't be quite this bad due to the floats although don't expect many when pot betting from a UTG+1 open).
Board: 6s Qc Qs
Hand 0: 68.969%{ AdAs }
Hand 1: 31.031% { JJ-77, AQs, KQs, KsJs, AQo, KQo }

Turn
Board: 6s Qc Qs Kc
Hand 0: 10.331% { AdAs }
Hand 1: 89.669%{ AQs, KQs, KsJs, AQo, KQo }

River (When check/calling a shove)
Board: 6s Qc Qs Kc 3s
Hand 0: 00.000% { AdAs }
Hand 1: 100.000% { AQs, AQo, KQo }


Sure the flop bet prints money vs a fish and isn't terrible vs a tag but the turn and river actions it forces us into are dire vs tags and breakeven to mildly profitable vs a fish. (fish will have extra queens to counter the extra draws somewhat).
 
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