$2 NLHE Full Ring: set against possible flush/straight

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This was a confusing hand. Villain was a loose player so I was trying to check-raise on turn, and instead ended up giving them a free card and a possible flush/straight. How would you play this? What do you think the villain has based on their actions?

SB: $2.62 (131 bb)
Hero (BB): $2.65 (132.5 bb)
UTG+2: $2.47 (123.5 bb)
MP1: $2.16 (108 bb)
MP2: $1.47 (73.5 bb)
MP3: $3.28 (164 bb)
CO: $1.96 (98 bb)
BTN: $1.30 (65 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Kc Ks
4 folds, CO calls $0.02, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.10, CO calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.21) 7c 4s Kd (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.14, Hero calls $0.14

Turn: ($0.49) Js (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($0.49) 3s (2 players)
Hero bets $0.24, CO raises to $1.72 and is all-in
 
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I think I'd charge him more. Raise the flop bet (why did you check there?) and bet big on turn. and a check call depending on the sizing.

As played on the flop I'd bet the turn 3/4 or more. You aren't getting value out of your set by keeping the pot that small IMO

checking both flop and turn are bad plays because it's super passive with the top set and you are letting him draw very cheaply.
 
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I think I'd charge him more. Raise the flop bet (why did you check there?) and bet big on turn. and a check call depending on the sizing.

Wish I could answer that. I need a strategy lesson on what to do when I have a good hand. Thanks for pointing out charging the villain more, here the flop didn't look dangerous at all so I was trying to "slow play" which I guess is not the same thing as super passive play. For someone with any kind of decent hand it's cheap to stay in the game here, and that should not be the case.
 
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Yeah you played this hand with the beginners mindset.
The best way to make Money in poker is default being reasonably aggressive cbetting and barrelling most of the time depending on the player type you are up against. This means that when you get a strong hand you should just bet it hard because most of the time you will be betting hard. You will get paid when your opponent has a strong hand and decides to call down.
Here you showed pre flop aggression so you should consider the cbet as normal and hope that he has something.
Occasionally when you completely smash the flop like this with few draws you can slow play the flop for deception but you absolutely must either check raise the flop or lead out on the turn for 2/3 pot.
As played lead out on the turn and hope to get raised, if so gii on the turn. Most runouts will put straights and flushes on the board by the end you probably let him get to a strong holding on the end. You are probably beat now as sets shouldn't be shoving now but might have been happy to on the turn.
 
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Yeah you played this hand with the beginners mindset.

This is a really good point as I'm a beginner doesn't mean I have to play like one.

The best way to make Money in poker is default being reasonably aggressive cbetting and barrelling most of the time depending on the player type you are up against. This means that when you get a strong hand you should just bet it hard because most of the time you will be betting hard. You will get paid when your opponent has a strong hand and decides to call down.

Beginner mindset, yes, calling and waiting for the flop to hit and the villain to bet won't win me any money. I've posted several hands here and the basic mistake I make over and over again is being too passive. As I've had a problem with too many cbets to make the opponent fold and lost money on those hands I'm now facing the opposite problem of not cbetting when I clearly should. Sometimes when the good hand hits me I just freeze uncertain what to do.

Here you showed pre flop aggression so you should consider the cbet as normal and hope that he has something.
Occasionally when you completely smash the flop like this with few draws you can slow play the flop for deception but you absolutely must either check raise the flop or lead out on the turn for 2/3 pot. As played lead out on the turn and hope to get raised, if so gii on the turn.

Like I said my "slow playing" means just completely passive playing. Good guidelines here. It sucks when I wait forever for a good hand and then when I finally get it the villain folds, but that's not a bad outcome either and if they fold they wouldn't probably invest much money in the hand anyway. Here I'm just giving them free cards.

Thanks again for the advice!
 
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I think your check on the flop is kinda reasonable because you block alot of good hands with your Top Set and there are absolutely no draws. Slowplaying and trapping is almost never a good idea but when you're doing it this is the right
board to do it since you're villain has most likely air on this board.
I do prefer to c-bet when you know your opponent is calling you light. As played you should at least bet the turn.

I don't know if you should call this on the river. You're obviously behind pretty much all of his value bets here. But you showed just so much weakness postflop and maybe gave him the opportunity to bluff. In the long run it's probably better to fold this in 2NLHE.
 
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Slowplaying and trapping is almost never a good idea but when you're doing it this is the right
board to do it since you're villain has most likely air on this board.

Thought so, and then it turns out I have no clue how to slow play. I now have a better idea on how to do it thanks to this thread. Maybe next time. But...

I do prefer to c-bet when you know your opponent is calling you light. As played you should at least bet the turn.

...I think I'll stick to cbets for a while. I need more experience and more of those good hands, and learn to be aggressive.

I don't know if you should call this on the river. You're obviously behind pretty much all of his value bets here. But you showed just so much weakness postflop and maybe gave him the opportunity to bluff. In the long run it's probably better to fold this in 2NLHE.

I was thinking they might bluff. I've played like this, bet on the flop to make the opponent fold and then check on the turn when they don't. My replies to that don't show a strong hand. I saw this player throw money around and bluff before. Still going all-in was totally unexpected.

Reading opponents is hard sometimes, I see people play even more passive than me just checking their four of a kind and then gloating over their small win, and several people going all-in with air in the same hand. Guess that's poker and especially micro stakes poker.
 
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