$2 NLHE Full Ring: Set of Aces on flop. Turn card completes everything

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$2 NLHE Full Ring: Trip Aces on flop. Turn card completes everything

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 15/15/100

Villain: 15/15/100 after 18 hands

pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP2 ($2)
Villain (MP3) ($4.89)
Hero (CO) ($2.19)
Button ($5)
SB ($3.10)
BB ($0.80)
UTG ($1.53)
UTG+1 ($1.05)
MP1 ($0.80)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A
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, J
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4 folds, Villain bets $0.08, Hero calls $0.08, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.19) A
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, A
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, 10
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(2 players)
Villain bets $0.12, Hero raises to $0.38, Villain raises to $0.98, Hero calls $0.60

Turn: ($2.15) K
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(2 players)
Villain bets $1.34, Hero....


I raised the flop cause I wasnt sure if it was just a c-bet or if villain had a big hand. seeing as there is only one other A it limits any Ax hands although every Ax hands that I think he opens here beats me, right? Turn just has me crushed so this is an easy fold, right? Im trying to not be such a station in situations like this...

Let me know how I shouldve played it. I didnt 3-bet pre cause I had position on villain.
 
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What is villain's table image? That is very important.

Edit: I saw the villains numbers at second glance. Assuming he is indeed very tight, I think you made the right decision. He could be holding A-K or the nut flush. However, it could be a chop. He could have the same hand as you. I still sthink you made a wise decision.
2nd edit: Did not see the 18 hands in the post either. I have to stop "skimming" over threads. Fold the turn. Still the same thing I said.
 
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I think WA/WB applies here?

flat flop, I don't think he 3bets the flop with worse though.. how many 15/15s 4x worse than AJ?

let go on the turn, he doesn't have too many FD's here but we're normally beat I think.

note: table image doesn't apply to 2nl? no-ones paying any attention.

stats apply here imo.

note 2: set is PP hitting 3 of a kind, trips is having 2 on the flop and the 3rd in your hand like you have here.
 
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Generally, I flat the flop for WA/WB. If you had history an argument could be made for raising. Once he re-raises It might be a flop fold without history, or fold turn. Did he snap reraise?
 
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What is villain's table image? That is very important.

Edit: I saw the villains numbers at second glance. Assuming he is indeed very tight, I think you made the right decision. He could be holding A-K or the nut flush. However, it could be a chop. He could have the same hand as you. I still sthink you made a wise decision.

15/15 is not 'very' tight for full ring. Nor is 18 hands enough to contribute much to decision making. Flat the flop is, I think, the best way to proceed. As played fold the turn.
 
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I think your right with the WA/WB OMGITSOVER9K

in terms of image - we only had 15 hands played and he took them down on the flop. Nothing went to SD.

4x was his standard raise in EP/MP so its hard to take anything from that. The only thing that kind of make it seem strong was that he was snap raising both streets.

more stats on villain (probs not that helpful though)
fold to 3bet - 100
total 3 bet - 9
c bet - 100

I agree I think I shouldve flatted the flop. Ive never really been in a situation like this before so I raised for what I thought was value but when he 3-bet I expected that I was behind for sure.

....btw also a Mila Kunis fan!
 
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who isn't?

btw I really wanna give him AK here.

don't think F3B applies since its 15 hands, call/call/call seems the best line unless the board gets bad or you boat up.

wouldn't be folding this turn if I flatted flop btw.
 
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who isn't?

btw I really wanna give him AK here.

don't think F3B applies since its 15 hands, call/call/call seems the best line unless the board gets bad or you boat up.

wouldn't be folding this turn if I flatted flop btw.

Yeah, a new day a new perspective. Im unsure now, just saw the size of the turn bet so Id be more likely to call. Maybe then fold the river to a big bet.

As for 18 hands, there is almost nothing reliable that you derive from that amount of info. Just ignore the stats unless hes playing like 80/20 or something ridiculous.
 
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turns a jam according to stack sizes I think.

and you can get basic positional stuff.. but thats about it, anything else is kinda useless until you play more hands.
 
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dafuq is WA/WB?

personally im happy to fold this to the flop 3b since we beat absolutely nothing, but totally understand the call. i also think that this deserves some kind of monumental award for the best 2NL hand i have ever seen in my life.

well ****ing played
 
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Noobs with your acronyms that I don't understand lol ty
 
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hard 1 this very very scary spot to be in
 
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preflop and flop he cant have jj,qq,kk? so on flop you beat some hands.
In my experience when they snap reraise flop is because of adrenaline and i think
normally its big pair preflop but the turn bet scares me cause he is not scared of that card it seams
but people at this level play weird so ak,aq tt could make sense but dont know why he reraises flop with nuts!!
 
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What is his range pre flop and on the flop and turn
What are you guys thought process threw that hand?
 
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dafuq is WA/WB?

personally im happy to fold this to the flop 3b since we beat absolutely nothing, but totally understand the call. i also think that this deserves some kind of monumental award for the best 2NL hand i have ever seen in my life.

well ****ing played

Cheers JC thanks for the props man. You agree that turn is def a fold though eh?
 
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preflop and flop he cant have jj,qq,kk? so on flop you beat some hands.
In my experience when they snap reraise flop is because of adrenaline and i think
normally its big pair preflop but the turn bet scares me cause he is not scared of that card it seams
but people at this level play weird so ak,aq tt could make sense but dont know why he reraises flop with nuts!!

What is his range pre flop and on the flop and turn
What are you guys thought process threw that hand?

Pre flop 4 x bb open I put villain on TT+, AQ+. I dont think villain is opening like AT here but I could be wrong.

Thought process is like this -
pre - flat b/c we have position on villain.
flop - raise to protect against FDs and see how strong villain is. Heros plan if villain calls our raise is to check/call to SD if no other scary cards come. Since villain 4bet Im just flatting and same plan - check calling a lot of cards on turn. but once again depends on bet sizing as well
Turn - worst card imo. villain effectively puts us AI. I think villain knows we have an A here and has us crushed. fold imo

What do you think anthony?
 
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Cheers JC thanks for the props man. You agree that turn is def a fold though eh?

i think flop is tbh. if we had AQ in that spot im stumped, and just call down while hating my life.

as if villains ever got A2-A9, and hes never 3bing flops with a FD so AJ really doesnt beat anything amirite? villains flop 3bing range here is AK, AQ, AJ, AT, TT. none of which we beat.

Pre flop 4 x bb open I put villain on TT+, AQ+. I dont think villain is opening like AT here but I could be wrong.

Thought process is like this -
pre - flat b/c we have position on villain.
flop - raise to protect against FDs and see how strong villain is. Heros plan if villain calls our raise is to check/call to SD if no other scary cards come. Since villain 4bet Im just flatting and same plan - check calling a lot of cards on turn. but once again depends on bet sizing as well
Turn - worst card imo. villain effectively puts us AI. I think villain knows we have an A here and has us crushed. fold imo

What do you think anthony?

pre - i think this is okay, again not a fullringer, but shouldnt we by default be folding AJo when someone opens ahead of us when we have no info on their opening range?
flop - i like raise. if he flats it, we are checking back turn and folding river if he bets and we dont improve. if he 3bs, its a fold
turn- its actually kind of a blank. it doesnt improve any hand that you beat on the flop. all hands in villains range that the K helps were already beating you anyway (villain never 3bs FDs OTF imo)
 
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i think flop is tbh. if we had AQ in that spot im stumped, and just call down while hating my life.

as if villains ever got A2-A9, and hes never 3bing flops with a FD so AJ really doesnt beat anything amirite? villains flop 3bing range here is AK, AQ, AJ, AT, TT. none of which we beat.



pre - i think this is okay, again not a fullringer, but shouldnt we by default be folding AJo when someone opens ahead of us when we have no info on their opening range?
flop - i like raise. if he flats it, we are checking back turn and folding river if he bets and we dont improve. if he 3bs, its a fold
turn- its actually kind of a blank. it doesnt improve any hand that you beat on the flop. all hands in villains range that the K helps were already beating you anyway (villain never 3bs FDs OTF imo)

Totally agree with everything you say there JC but pre i didnt open fold cause villain could have like TT+/AJ+ i think cause hes in MP. If hes EP I think this is an easy fold. My plan pre is to flat bc we have no info and we have position. If we dont bink an A on the flop im folding to a c-bet. I just think when he puts us AI on the turn hes either got AK or TT.

Thanks for the replies everyone
 
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I don't understand your thinking.. his whole range beats us and we split with the absolute bottom of his raising range according to you, why are we flatting then?
 
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^ yeah. I get what you mean pocketehs but I feel like we're behind pre most of the time. You've further convinced me that this is a fold pre until we have more info

DISCLAIMER: FR is for nits and I don't know FR opening ranges of anyone let alone a 15/15
 
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9K and JC, I dont know how I didnt realize this when I was posting but this makes perfect sense. Still learning how to use my HUD properly to help with pre flop game.
 
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FR is nittier but its not just for nits -.-

it means we can abuse bad regs a load more anyway :)

edit: learn something new everyday tens!
 
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Raising flop is horrible. I don't mind if you flat and just station but as played turn is a puke and fold.
 
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