$2 NLHE Full Ring: River over bet second pair any good?

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RamdeeBen

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Not much on villian.

I get donked on the flop and thought about raising here but wanted to see the turn, he then donk min bets again, so I'm confused. I know my mistake here, I should of raised it here as his line seemed so weird and like complete air. I thought he could well have limp/called pre with a middle pocket pair.

When the jack hits on the river, I'm kind of happy and think I'm calling, maybe even raising depending on his bet size but when he massively overbets the river, I'm thinking WTF? Surely this can't be a bluff ? I feel he has trips or even a boat and wants to look like a bluff as it makes no sense he can't rep a bluff and surely he can't think I had sort weird draw which I'm going to fold.

People do weird things at 2nl..sigh..thoughts?




pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (7 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

Button ($6.33)
SB ($3.25)
BB ($4.68)
UTG ($3.32)
MP1 ($2.71)
MP2 ($1.95)
Hero (CO) ($2.17)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A
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, J
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2 folds, MP2 calls $0.02, Hero bets $0.08, 1 fold, SB calls $0.07, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.26) Q
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, 3
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, 7
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(3 players)
SB bets $0.06, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.06

Turn: ($0.38) 3
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(2 players)
SB bets $0.08, Hero calls $0.08

River: ($0.54) J
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(2 players)
SB bets $0.96, Hero folds

Total pot: $0.54 | Rake: $0.02
 
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I fold, without history this is for value more often than not.
 
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Such a weird line. I probably fold as paying off fishes overbets for 50BB on the river is a good way to decimate winrate.
 
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I think that you're thinking too much into it. I don't think villian thinks that he can make you think that he can only have a bluff with this bet so you call with worse. You're about two levels too high here. It's a fold I think. Villians range crushes yours so evne if he is bluffing it's nowhere near frequent enough to call.
 
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min bet, min bet, shove/ob line is like thinking " hey i flopped a hand i consider the nuts and i want to keep him in so i bet min, bet min, now i didnt bet enough to get stack in on the river so i better shove"

I would just fold the flop because we have A high, we have no real draw, we only have an A draw or bdstd which are both tough to hit. 'but we might be folding the best hand'. Thats true but its a small pot and we dont know where we are and i dont want to spend money at the micros unless i know im going to profit. I would just fold and wait for a better spot. You can avoid these spots and capitalize on the good ones and still have a huge winrate.
 
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Why do we even proceed past the flop on this hand? River is an instant snap fold, people are stupid in 2nl, but I don't think they almost 2x pot with air all that often, you're over-thinking it.
 
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I'd call here if Isildur1 was playing 2NL that day, otherwise fold.
 
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I'm fine with the calls on the flop and turn. If villains bluffing we're ahead, if not and he doesn't hold a queen we have 6outs. I'd rather have AJ than 22 here.

Tiny sizing, dry flop, least threatening turn possible. A folds fine as well just defending the calls as not bad. I'd be keener if we weren't multi-way.
 
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The flop and turn calls aren't bad if we think we're ahead and we do have position. However with a bet that big on the river it's screaming 77, A3 and AQ to me.
 
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