$2 NLHE Full Ring: Queens preflop

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Party Poker - $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Holdem (8 players)
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SB Hero: $1.95
BB: $2.08 (sitting out)
UTG: $2
UTG+1: $0.80 (sitting out)
MP: $3.39
MP+1: $1.24
CO: $2.92
BTN: $2

Pre-flop: ($0.03) Hero is SB and dealt :qc4: :qs4:
MP calls $0.02, MP+1 folds, CO calls $0.02, BTN folds, Hero raises to $0.10, UTG folds, MP raises to $0.18, CO folds, Hero raises to $1.95 (All-in), MP calls $1.77

Flop: ($3.94) :ad4: :jc4: :6c4: (4 players)

Turn: ($3.94) :ad4: :jc4: :6c4: :ks4: (4 players)

River: ($3.94) :ad4: :jc4: :6c4: :ks4: :jd4: (4 players)

Cant seem to find my stats on this player but what I can say is that villain was really loose and really aggressive. In previous hands I was not involved in, player would bet pot with a reraise postflop with nothing but would also overbet the pot and call an all in with two pair (J5o I believe). My HUD showed that villain VP was 100 although it only recorded 5 hands or so thus far. When given Queens, my raise was made to gain value and when he reraised, I did not respect it since his raising range has been quite large. I 4-bet all in and got called which was what I wanted but he hit his cards and beat my queens. I was wondering if I overvalue queens too much though. I have read that some people only raise all in a reraise with Aces or Kings but I did not put villain on aces or kings (relatively low reraise) and was surprised to find that Queens are only a coinflip against AK.
 
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Limp/raises are usually kk+ but if you had a read that he'd call a shove with worse then I'm not sure what's wrong with the hand
 
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and was surprised to find that Queens are only a coinflip against AK.

if that came as a suprise play around in Pokerstove for half an hour an you'll be a much better player for it. Once you know the equity your hand has vs. certain cards you'll have a good advantage over other 2NL - 10NL players.
 
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There are a few things to think about:

1) a limp raise is very strong. Many times KK or AA... Maybe since he is a LAG at best for you 99+, AJs+, and AQo (most likely JJ+ and AK). So with these ranges you are about a 70% - about 40% to win on the two ranges. (BTW a limp 3 bet with a Monster would typically make a small 3 bet as they want a caller).

2) Will there be other opportunities/hands to get this guy's chips in the pot where you have more of an advantage? Since he seems to be a LAG I would think yes and that you will have a few opportunities to get all of his chips in the pot when he has less than the nuts.

3) Is 4-betting All-in the best value play? what do you think he would call with and fold with? Any hands that has us beat u think he would fold? Would he fold only hands that we already beat? Which ones? (Might he have 3-Bet and fold here if he had Ax, 99-JJ, or Suited connectors to your shove?)


IMHO this is why JJ-QQ is so tough to play. You want to win a good size pot but you have to be careful when building that pot AND you have to avoid over cards. QQ is much different than KK although they are very close to eachother.

I dont think you over valued your hand as statistically you are only afraid of KK and AA but I think you may have been able to wait and picked a better spot when you would be a clear favorite against this guy. I think the range he calls your 4-Bet with make it 50/50 to maybe 60/40 unless this guy is a true maniac.
 
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Given your description of this player, even with the very limited sample, I think this is fine. By the way, QQ isn't really a coinflip against AKo at 57% to win.
 
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An interesting thing you'll find in pokerstove is that QQ is still 40% vs. a range of QQ+/AK. So even if someone is at a range that narrow it's still a call if there's already dead money in the pot.
 
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Bleh, I don't play full ring much, but I don't think this one ends well very often. Not a huge mistake to get it in here, its a close decision either way. But this isn't the way I prefer to get AIPF with queens.
 
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