$2 NLHE Full Ring: QQQ against full house

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Did I play this hand right? He had a CB of 100% also. There was a chance that he had the flush but he was betting through flop and turn and river which made me think he had 2 pair or TPTK. I called the flop because he always bets it, when I hit my 3rd queen i thought I defiantly had it. Also his call in MP2 I was thinking maybe suited connectors . Should I have not called from the start?

Seat 2: Mifsud ($2.16 in chips)
Seat 3: mangstars ($0.80 in chips)
Seat 4: themarfs ($2.20 in chips)
Seat 5: Mr.cricriboy ($2.04 in chips)
Seat 6: JDAmotoX ($1.72 in chips)
Seat 7: Sergio14b ($1.88 in chips)
Seat 8: frosa9397 ($3.10 in chips)
Seat 9: Party4Arthy ($2.01 in chips)
frosa9397: posts small blind $0.01
Party4Arthy: posts big blind $0.02
JAKKIvan: sits out
mangstars: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JDAmotoX [Qc Jd]
Mifsud: calls $0.02
mangstars: checks
themarfs: calls $0.02
Mr.cricriboy: folds
JDAmotoX: raises $0.04 to $0.06
Sergio14b: folds
frosa9397: folds
Party4Arthy: folds
Mifsud: calls $0.04
mangstars: folds
themarfs: calls $0.04
*** FLOP *** [Qh 2d 7h]
Mifsud: checks
themarfs: bets $0.16
JDAmotoX: calls $0.16
Mifsud: calls $0.16
*** TURN *** [Qh 2d 7h] [Qs]
Mifsud: checks
themarfs: bets $0.51
JDAmotoX: calls $0.51
Mifsud: calls $0.51
*** RIVER *** [Qh 2d 7h Qs] [Ah]
Mifsud: checks
themarfs: bets $1.47 and is all-in
JDAmotoX: calls $0.99 and is all-in
Mifsud: folds
Uncalled bet ($0.48) returned to themarfs
*** SHOW DOWN ***
themarfs: shows [7s 7d] (a full house, Sevens full of Queens)
JDAmotoX: shows [Qc Jd] (three of a kind, Queens)
themarfs collected $4.07 from pot
 
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When the flush hits on the river, and he shoves into 2 players, we're never good. And raise larger preflop.

And he didn't cbet, he donk bet into 2 players.
 
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When the flush hits on the river, and he shoves into 2 players, we're never good. And raise larger preflop.

And he didn't cbet, he donk bet into 2 players.

Whats the difference between donk bet and normal bets? Should I add donk bets to my HUD?
 
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I've noticed that in micro stakes, when a pre-flop raise gets called & all of a sudden the caller starts betting like that, it's either a) he thinks you missed the flop or b) it hit him like a ton of bricks.

Couple of things I notice

- You are not heads up. The other player in the hand sticks around until the river and calls down 3/4 to pot sized bets. And he didn't have a flush draw...it leads me to think that you were actually behind both going to that river

- When he leads out after calling your raise on every turn, it actually tells me that he hit the flop vs chasing the flop. I've seen it all too often - and done it (I admit mistakes....) by leading into a raiser after the flop hits me. When he doesn't back down and the betting escalates, it screams overpair, two pair or set.

- Your initial comment tells me everything about this hand - you did not know what he had and your range was not only wide but not all inclusive. My rule of thumb...if I don't know where I stand in a hand, I should get out. Why didn't you think a set was a possibility?

An interesting question is: if you both had $15 more behind you, and he pushed all of it in on the river, would you have called?
 
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Donk bet is when he or she is acting first and bets out on the flop. Continuation bet is when acting second.

I'm break even at 2nl atm so take my take on this with a grain of salt:
Preflop: I'd probably fold preflop simple because if they limped .06 probably isn't enough to get em to fold and qj isn't strong enough of a hand to want to build up value with.
Flop: I think with our hand, the hands they could have are complete air, Qx, pocket 7, pocket 2, or some kinda flush draw. I think a raise might be appropriate to give worse odds to flush draw hands and we'll probably force weaker Qx and complete air hands to fold out. I'd fold to reraise

Turn: If we raised on the flop, and they called, It leaves flush draw, set, and some strong Qx that has us beat. That last one just became unlikely since we know where 3 of the queens are. If either bet out on the turn I'd guess set and maybe stronger Qx at which point I'd probably fold. If they both check, we can't rule anything out. Betting into their check doesn't seem like a good idea (since Qx or set will show up some percent of the time + flush draw will hit flush and none of these hands are gonna fold here) so I'd probably just check.
 
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I've noticed that in micro stakes, when a pre-flop raise gets called & all of a sudden the caller starts betting like that, it's either a) he thinks you missed the flop or b) it hit him like a ton of bricks.

Couple of things I notice

- You are not heads up. The other player in the hand sticks around until the river and calls down 3/4 to pot sized bets. And he didn't have a flush draw...it leads me to think that you were actually behind both going to that river

- When he leads out after calling your raise on every turn, it actually tells me that he hit the flop vs chasing the flop. I've seen it all too often - and done it (I admit mistakes....) by leading into a raiser after the flop hits me. When he doesn't back down and the betting escalates, it screams overpair, two pair or set.

- Your initial comment tells me everything about this hand - you did not know what he had and your range was not only wide but not all inclusive. My rule of thumb...if I don't know where I stand in a hand, I should get out. Why didn't you think a set was a possibility?

An interesting question is: if you both had $15 more behind you, and he pushed all of it in on the river, would you have called?

Well I didn't see a set coz I had tunnel vision I guess haha. I was thinking that yes he probably did have TPTK or an overpair and I'll call the flop to see if he settles on the turn. When he bet big on the turn I thought he was trying to blow off a flush draw to me or villain 2. He wouldn't have bet so big with a draw. Next time i'll think about sets but even then, I thought they would raise preflop with 77? If he bet small on the streets then smashed an all-in on river, than no i wouldn't have called.
I like your point you make about them calling then leading with a bet on the flop. I've never thought about that meaning they could have me beat :/ Do you think my call on the flop was ok though?
 
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Also now I'm thinking, what did misfud have? He called all streets but the river? He might have had the Qx aswell but folded? If misfud bet on the river than it would've been an easy fold by me.
 
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Donk bet is when he or she is acting first and bets out on the flop. Continuation bet is when acting second.
Errr... no.

A donk bet is typically when you call a raise out of position preflop, and then lead into the preflop raiser. A continuation bet is when you raise preflop, and then bet the flop.

Donk bets aren't typically worth adding to a HUD, because they occur pretty infrequently. You won't have a great sample.
 
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Errr... no.

A donk bet is typically when you call a raise out of position preflop, and then lead into the preflop raiser. A continuation bet is when you raise preflop, and then bet the flop.

Donk bets aren't typically worth adding to a HUD, because they occur pretty infrequently. You won't have a great sample.

If someone donk bets than I should fold? It sounds like donk bets can mean they have a good hand. So should I probably fold 2nd pairs or TP bad kicker to them?
 
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If someone donk bets than I should fold? It sounds like donk bets can mean they have a good hand. So should I probably fold 2nd pairs or TP bad kicker to them?

Donk bet is usually weak hand or draw. Nit making donk bet is usually top pair or better afraid draws. However some get so exited when they flop good hand that they bet. Regs are usually donkbetting second pair or just for fun when they see dry flop (with the idea too weak to call, i bet). Usually draw donk bets are smaller but some like to donk full pot. It's important to make notes what they donked. Playing against donks is hard if u dont know them, but very profitable with notes.

Anyways the default lines are to raise vs fish and reg any 2 card and fold vs nit, but u know so many exeptions from player to player.
 
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Well I didn't see a set coz I had tunnel vision I guess haha. I was thinking that yes he probably did have TPTK or an overpair and I'll call the flop to see if he settles on the turn. When he bet big on the turn I thought he was trying to blow off a flush draw to me or villain 2. He wouldn't have bet so big with a draw. Next time i'll think about sets but even then, I thought they would raise preflop with 77? If he bet small on the streets then smashed an all-in on river, than no i wouldn't have called.
I like your point you make about them calling then leading with a bet on the flop. I've never thought about that meaning they could have me beat :/ Do you think my call on the flop was ok though?

To be honest I don't like the flop call. Partly because you've relinquished control on the hand and you have someone behind you that has odds to play a wider range with you calling as opposed to raising.
 
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Also now I'm thinking, what did misfud have? He called all streets but the river? He might have had the Qx aswell but folded? If misfud bet on the river than it would've been an easy fold by me.

I think he had a mid pair, 88, 99, something like that. Figured with the second Q that his pair might be good, but then gave it up ultimately when the betting got high. Suited connectors either have nothing or a made flush that I think calls that river, and Ax I think might call the river. So i think most likely is 99 to be honest.
 
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