$2 NLHE Full Ring: QQ vs board pair on river

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pokerstars Hand #178597460044: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - 2017/11/23 3:34:45 WET [2017/11/22 22:34:45 ET]
Table 'Sergestus' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: LRNDMS ($3.79 in chips)
Seat 2: ars_time ($2.12 in chips)
Seat 3: MattJM68 ($2 in chips)
Seat 4: alsowa ($0.74 in chips)
Seat 5: evge431 ($3.05 in chips)
Seat 7: djkimera ($2.13 in chips)
Seat 8: McSavok ($1.57 in chips)
Seat 9: OrgoChem323 ($2 in chips)
evge431: posts small blind $0.01
Pavel_301356: is sitting out
djkimera: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MattJM68 [Qc Qs]
McSavok: raises $0.04 to $0.06
OrgoChem323: raises $0.12 to $0.18
LRNDMS: folds
Pavel_301356 leaves the table
ars_time: folds
MattJM68: calls $0.18
alsowa: folds
evge431: folds
djkimera: calls $0.16
McSavok: calls $0.12
*** FLOP *** [Tc Jc 7d]
djkimera: checks
Leonidas,KG joins the table at seat #6
McSavok: checks
OrgoChem323: bets $0.49
MattJM68: calls $0.49
djkimera: folds
McSavok: folds
*** TURN *** [Tc Jc 7d] <font color='red'>K<font face="arial">♦</font></font>
OrgoChem323: checks
MattJM68: checks
*** RIVER *** [Tc Jc 7d Kd] J♠
OrgoChem323: bets $0.69
MattJM68: folds [Qc Qs]
Uncalled bet ($0.69) returned to OrgoChem323
OrgoChem323 collected $1.65 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1.71 | Rake $0.06
Board [Tc Jc 7d Kd Js]
Seat 1: LRNDMS folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: ars_time folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: MattJM68 folded on the River
Seat 4: alsowa (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: evge431 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: djkimera (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: McSavok folded on the Flop
Seat 9: OrgoChem323 collected ($1.65)

I'd played 48 hands against this guy and during that he was ultra tight. I even considered folding this pre, and would have, but i was up about $10 in the session so thought I'd play.

Then I realised that i couldn't call pre and fold on that flop,... 'great'

The check on the turn caught me off guard, kind of made me think he either was checking KK or AK/ AQ( I know i block it) now that he'd improved to try and induce, or that he had AJ/JJ and was worried.

Then on the river the J just made me sad, even if he had AJ i was now behind and I couldn't put him on a value hand that I was beating, and I don't see people betting this small as a bluff often and he doesn't really have any bluffs in his range. Just looked like a J to me so i mucked it.

My thoughts are that i should have maybe raised again pre to knock out AJ, although then I am basically hoping he has AK and not the overpairs, or on the flop for some info or to get it in vs AJ, but even that does'nt sound fun. The more I write the more I think it's a preflop fold.

Let me know what you think.

Let me know what you think
 
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I think I would have folded after the flop when they raised $0.49. Could be wrong, think they probably had 77 or 1010 as hole cards and made the boat on the river. Maybe not.
 
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with pocket q's

Pre-flop I would have raised pot, then flop bet half pot. if he had a jack at that point he would be raising or calling with what maybe the best hand. but a big bet showing you had better than Jacks on the flop, raise like you have a Jack, I know it's a gamble, but it would be dumb not to gamble to see where you are before the river, a pair of queens has a pair of jacks beat. once the second Jack comes you bet like you got it, and hope he thinks you do, he may have aces or kings and a big bet for the gamble of an ace or a king will bring on a fold.
 
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It really comes down to just what "ultra-tight" means. Villain 3-bet so it is even tighter: AA, KK, AK, QQ, JJ? Hero is losing to AA, KK (12 combos) and beating JJ & AK (22 combos). There is $0.72 in the pot and Villain has $1.82 left. I think you should have 4 bet.

As played, on the Tc, Jc, 7d flop, By definition he doesn't have TT or 77. Villain is losing to AK (16 combos). and winning AA, KK, & JJ (18 combos) QQ draws but is only 1 combo. Villain bets $0.49 into the $0.72 pot and has $1.33 left and you look to be 45/55 to win, likely a little worse since he might have a flush draw too, but you need to push on the flop.

As played, the King comes in on the river and you have lost if he calls.
 
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I don't mind the flat call preflop but 4 betting preflop does have some benefits. If you 4 bet preflop and he comes over the top of you, you can be pretty confident that he has AA/KK (since you said that he has been ultra-tight).

As played, I go back and forth of the flop. I mean with your description that he is ultra-tight, I don't mind a fold on the flop. I also don't mind a call. To me its kind of a toss up. Personally, I'd probably fold.

I fold on the river. You don't really beat anything and generally ultra-tight players aren't bluffing there and not betting that river without a pretty strong hand.
 
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For those who hate plain format and wondering what they are talking about.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com



saw flop | saw showdown

MP1 ($3.79)
MP2 ($2.12)
Hero (CO) ($2)
Button ($0.74)
SB ($3.05)
BB ($2.13)
UTG ($1.57)
UTG+1 ($2)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q, Q
UTG raises to $0.06, UTG+1 raises to $0.18, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.18, 2 folds, BB calls $0.16, UTG calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.73) 10, J, 7 (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $0.49, Hero calls $0.49, 2 folds

Turn: ($1.71) 7 (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks

River: ($1.71) K (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $0.69, Hero folds

Total pot: $1.71 | Rake: $0.06

[spoil]
UTG+1 didn't show[/spoil]
 
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Thanks to Braveslice, that is very helpful, you rock! (For those of you afraid to click on the reveal, it is safe.)
 
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I mostly agree with LazerBoy but think some further comments are important.
I don't mind the flat call preflop but 4 betting preflop does have some benefits. If you 4 bet preflop and he comes over the top of you, you can be pretty confident that he has AA/KK (since you said that he has been ultra-tight).
Agreed, both options are viable. If you just flat, you have to keep AA/KK in his range.
As played, I go back and forth of the flop. I mean with your description that he is ultra-tight, I don't mind a fold on the flop. I also don't mind a call. To me its kind of a toss up. Personally, I'd probably fold.
I'd fold the flop as well. With your read, he 3bets pre with AK and TT+. Everything but AK beats you. And 4-handed even a TAG would not bet AK here unless it is AcKc (1 combo). So his bet is pretty strong imo.

I fold on the river. You don't really beat anything and generally ultra-tight players aren't bluffing there and not betting that river without a pretty strong hand.
Since he checks the turn, I doubt that he has TT or JJ. That leaves AcKc, QQ, AA and maybe KK that he played tricky. I'm not at home but it should be close since you are getting 3:1. I'll post a range later.
 
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4Bet pre-flop, by calling the blinds have great odds to call. CBet the flop,it's a great flop for our hand. Take initiative. If he floats on the turn, I'd fold.
 
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