Originally Posted by youregoodmate
Call. If we flop about as well as we can and still aren't happy then why call pre. Folding here is so nitty.
In fact, it isn't even nitty, it's just burning money.
The reason we call pre is because if we 4-bet, only worse hands fold and only better or flipping hands call or 5-bet us.
Calling means we can set mine or c-bet any flop which is checked to us.
The only problem here is that the SB has the betting lead, has 3-bet into us, and led into us again pretty heavily on the flop.
What hand is realistically in their range, which we can beat, that can do this? AKs, JJ, TT...? TJs, A9s? A pure bluff with air?
Honestly the 3-bet with a TJ or A9 and the c-bet on the flop OOP seems unlikely - they might as well just be bluffing
But if we still think we are ahead here most of the time then should we not be re-raising for more value?
I just can't see how calling is the optimal play here. I don't know if folding or re-raising is either, but I think we are in a polarised position, especially without the betting lead, making it awkward to know where we really stand.
The way I see it we are either ahead and should be extracting value and protecting against drawing hands or we are behind already and in pretty bad shape.
Would you do anything different pre-flop? What would you put their general range on most of the time?