$2 NLHE Full Ring: QQ vs. 3bet and agression from a nit

SB: $1.85
BB: $2.00
Hero (UTG): $2.35
MP: $2.12
CO: $0.29
BTN: $1.45

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG with Q Q
Hero raises to $0.08, MP raises to $0.14, CO calls $0.14, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.45) 8 2 4 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $0.20, CO calls $0.15 all in, Hero calls $0.20

Turn: ($1.00) 9 (3 players - 1 is all in)
Hero checks, MP bets $0.50, Hero folds

River: ($1.00) 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

MP is 12 / 6 / 1.7 over 317 hands, and his 3bet is 3.4 (which means that I should have 4-bet and call it off)

I figured if he keeps pressing turn he has to have a PP here, correct? So I was afraid of KK/AA and wasn't sure what exactly is in 3.4% range.

1. What is 3.4% range?
2. Turn fold is correct against this guy, right? I didn't fold flop since he might have AK and then if he slows down on the turn I value bet river.

P.S. Next round (7 hands later) I flopped a set OOP and checked it to him, he duly followed the same line and I stacked him :icon_pira yey! Finally some luck.

4bet pf, bet flop, shove turn. as played Im shoving turn

1) Why bet flop? I am OOP and he has the initiative.

I figured on my check he will cbet with any of his hands and give up on the turn with AKs (except diamonds) and AKo hands.

If I donk into him, what am I trying to represent here that I called 3-bet with?

2) Shoving turn? Isn't that spewy against his range? He calls with KK/AA and maybe QQ, folds those I beat.

LD1977 said:

1. What is 3.4% range?

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TT+ and AK is give or take the top 3½ish percent of hands. Doesn't mean he's not getting cute with something like 87s once in awhile or that he 3bets you at a frequency that matches his overall average, but this gives you a rough idea at the very least.

LD1977 said:

2. Turn fold is correct against this guy, right? I didn't fold flop since he might have AK and then if he slows down on the turn I value bet river.

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It might be correct. 2NL encompasses a wide variety of players and I won't pretend to know anything about this person's post flop game. His sizing suggests he's bad at poker and I don't think I agree that the fact he bet ~½pot twice after you checked to him twice necessarily means he has a hand you're not beating. In many cases getting 3bet by a 12/6 utg+1 when you open utg is a gross spot for QQ, but at 2NL for 100 blinds your best bet is likely just to 4bet and call it off pre as opposed to playing this pot oop where you'll be prone to making mistakes. 3.4 3bet is plenty good enough to get in queens.

By the way, if you believe he has an AK type hand when he checks back turn then you don't "value bet" lead otr you see if he bluffs at it instead. Alternatively you could bet something tiny lol and see if he spazzes. Do you think this player will check back JJ ott as well? Or is it possible he bets JJ twice thinking that if you held a larger pair you wouldn't be playing it as weakly as you did.

Thanks for the reply.

I am pretty nitty myself so if such a nit 3bets me then I figured he has to have something better than JJ. I thought something like AKs/QQ/KK/AA is his range but am not knowledgeable enough yet to know exactly ranges that go into 2%, 3%, 4% 3bet.

It seems I overestimated him a bit there, who knows if he is even positionally aware (I tend to assume nits are but it is not always so).

3-betting is not too prevalent in 2NL and most of the time I raise with hands that should fold to 3-bet so decisions are mostly easy (JJ, QQ, AK are the most difficult for me).

I know I need to work this out but my game is bad in other more important places for sure that come more often and are costing me much more.
Something close to optimum preflop strategy is good enough, doesn't have to be 100% perfect.

When facing 3-bets I am going to use that table from the forum (I had it when this was played, just didn't remember to check it at that moment, which I should have).

Fold turn is fine imo, A/A, K/K he has more than 10/10, J/J here, also 10/10 has more outs against you than you have against an overpair. The turn bet he made lets him shove the river which is what he is going to do around 80%~ of the time here I think and once you call turn you need to call the river I would say and by then I doubt he is betting 3 streets with tens or Jacks like this.

Yes I figured that I either fold or stack off here, and I hated to stack off in such a suspect situation.