$2 NLHE Full Ring: QQ facing 2 callers flop decision

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Hold'em No Limit - $0.01/$0.02 - 8 players

UTG: $3.62 (181 bb)
UTG+1: $2.00 (100 bb)
MP (Hero): $4.81 (241 bb)
MP+1: $1.03 (52 bb)
CO: $4.88 (244 bb)
BU: $2.04 (102 bb)
SB: $0.67 (34 bb)
BB: $2.00 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.03) Hero is MP with Q Q
UTG calls $0.02, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.08, 3 players fold, SB calls $0.07, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.26) T 3 2 (3 players)
SB bets $0.59 (all-in), UTG calls $0.59, MP (Hero) folds

UTG is a loose limper with VPIP/PFR (46/2)
No information on SB

SB is relatively short-stacked so I put him either on top pair/flush draw
UTG called SB shove but I cannot narrow down his range, could be flush draw/overpair/set

I felt too passive folding here although likely to be ahead most of the time.
What are your thoughts?
 
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I would agree with your analysis of SB, I would add more stuff too like Ax hands.

So the question is if you can play against UTG? The initial answer is yes, because we know he has a big stack and he limped utg we can assume he is lucky fish. Adding his VPIP we have our answer that yes you can play against him. So he has a draw or made hand against both raising is the correct action imo. Would it be raise/fold is more difficult question and I don't have an proper answer to, some more information about UTG agression should be presented. If we go only with VPIP/PRF personally I might find a fold.
 
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I would almost never fold here. There really aren't that many hands that beat you. 10 2,3 combos are highly unlikely and AA KK are also unlikely since you didn't get three bet.

The only hands then that have you beat are sets but there are only nine set combos. Folding here seems way to nitty. Villain is most likely to hold a combination of 10x with maybe a backdoor flush draw, Ax suited, 66-99 (if he thinks the sb shove is light) and any combination of over cards and he's floating. The sb shoved on a really polarized board, I'd limit his range to be more likely a 10x combo but could also be air.


In my opinion you are a big favorite to scoop the pot. I would have over shoved here.
 
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really? I'm almost never foldingalso raising a bit bigger pre. Around 10 cents

I know it feels absurd. We never have to go only with VPIP/PRF so the whole subject is a bit pointless.

But if he truly is pure 46/2 player, he won’t be raising with draw or top pair, or any pair, rarely he might find a raise with JJ that we beat, but that’s it. I'm not sure if I can fold in playtime, but I should in this case.
 
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You can think about the hands that he hasn't like AA, KK, QQ, JJ,because he could be mor agrressive in pre flop. The hands T3 and T2 are not in his range.

He can has 22, 33, AT, KT, QT, JT, 55+ and a flush draw

You need to calculate the $EV and to take a decision.
 
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Usually with queens you should isolate because they're so easily beaten on the flop. The only mistake you made was the bet size pre. I wouldve almost doubled it.
 
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Thanks all, SB holds KTo, UTG holds Jh4h
It was right to re-shove and I had Qh for backdoor flush draw.
 
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I would call, we lose only to the hands of KK, AA or Pocket set, but still we have a very big chance for such a flop, so definitely call.
If only you do not have the last money for which you play.
If the bank was 500 dollars I would advise folding.
 
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UTG didnt limp reraise (should be a sign he doesnt have jj+ aq+). Your bet size pre was fine. SB seems like hes playing short stack strategy, putting him on top pair is probably right.

UTGs call makes it a hard decision. He could be chasing a straight/flush, or could have a set.
Folding is kind of weak, but it could be worth the information on what UTG is willing to play.
Calling is dangerous, will you be commited to the pot (SOOOO many cards are dangerous if you believe UTGs range to be wide)
Shoving is a great play if UTG is loose, terrible if UTG is tight. A tight player calls the SB shove with better than top pair.


In this situation I think the best play depends on what info you have on UTG.
 
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