$2 NLHE Full Ring: QQ against unknown villain + two loose players

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I was against an unknown villain in UTG+1 who limped to pot and then re-raised me. Two other villains in the pot were both super loose, raising like crazy with Ax and playing almost every hand, calling with anything.

SB: $1.14 (57 bb)
BB: $2.18 (109 bb)
UTG+1: $1.64 (82 bb)
Hero (UTG+2): $2.14 (107 bb)
MP1: $1.44 (72 bb)
MP2: $2.40 (120 bb)
MP3: $2.32 (116 bb)
CO: $1.82 (91 bb)
BTN: $2.16 (108 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with Qd Qs
UTG+1 calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.10, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $0.10, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.10, 2 folds, UTG+1 raises to $0.31, Hero calls $0.21, MP2 calls $0.21, BTN calls $0.21

Flop: ($1.27) 2s 5h 7c (4 players)
UTG+1 bets $0.10, Hero raises to $0.30, MP2 calls $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, UTG+1 raises to $1.33 all-in, Hero ???

Everyone is still in the hand and two other villains could have pretty much anything. I was sure UTG+1 had a big pocket pair, and was ready to fold to that big bet on the flop that I knew was coming. Instead they bet small and re-raised me again.

This is a fold, right? Should I have gotten out of the hand earlier, or done something differently along the way?
 
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He's short. So likely a fish.
There are rarely some fishy players who trap with AA,KK by limp reraising.
But your hand is too good to fold + the other two donkeys' free money.
I'd GII here.
What I have to loose is far less than what I'd win here.

You should really post the stats to get better answers.
 
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There's more than just AA that limp-3bets preflop. Fish will often limp a hand like 99 and then stack off when a couple raises go in.
 
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Came here after checking out your thread; good run so far.

I think that we can 4-bet pre-flop here to re-evaluate as the action works back around. As it is, it looks as though your 4-bet range is KK+ and against these loose fish, you can widen it.

I know they said it's rarely AA when a fish limp-raises PF, but I actually believe it's the favorite move of fish as they try to get the most they can out of their AA. It's such a textbook oldie that I almost always expect AA from a fish doing this.

So anyway, personally, I'd 4-bet/fold if it comes to it and if they just call PF, I'm gonna gii on this flop and hope nobody hit their set.
 
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I'm too lazy to do the math, but not even sure you could fold 73o at this point after the flop betting.

If you were just calling to set mine, then you shouldn't be calling pre-flop.
 
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With the over pair in the flop I finish All in we have a lot to win vs the most part of their ranges, actually with this hand in this spot I am trying to finish all in preflop because is the top 3 premium hand and with the two loose player in the hand it is enough to me.

Regards!
 
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There's more than just AA that limp-3bets preflop. Fish will often limp a hand like 99 and then stack off when a couple raises go in.

+1

He does not have full stack. Easiest play is to get it in pre, playing OOP against 2 players (whom will call 90% of time) is too hard to be fun, even though one could argue most profitable.
 
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I think that we can 4-bet pre-flop here to re-evaluate as the action works back around. As it is, it looks as though your 4-bet range is KK+ and against these loose fish, you can widen it.

Thanks, I'll try that.

I know they said it's rarely AA when a fish limp-raises PF, but I actually believe it's the favorite move of fish as they try to get the most they can out of their AA. It's such a textbook oldie that I almost always expect AA from a fish doing this.

That's why I thought so too, I see players do this a lot.

So anyway, personally, I'd 4-bet/fold if it comes to it and if they just call PF, I'm gonna gii on this flop and hope nobody hit their set.

Thanks, I'm still a beginner and tend to get in trouble with just calling so I try to avoid it.
 
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Good thoughts everyone, this was a very confusing hand and as usual I did not have a clear goal in mind. I felt like QQ is too strong for just set mining but in here not strong enough to go all-in pre-flop with. I was not worried about those two loose players as they would have gone all-in with any ace or pair. Without the unknown villain in the hand this would have been easy.

Anyway in a situation like this, I'm still not sure what I'd do but calling pre-flop was a bad move.
 
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