$2 NLHE Full Ring: Preflop fold AKo to a reraise

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UTG: $2.66
UTG+1: $1.82
MP: $0.70
Hero (CO): $4.36
BTN: $2.03
SB: $1.68
BB: $2.43

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is CO with K :heart: A :diamond:
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, BTN raises to $0.18, 3 folds

Villain is 11 / 9 / 2 (55 hands)

I folded since he might have AA or KK and in that case even if I hit TPTK on the flop I might be in bad shape. Even 2 pairs could be expensive.

Now I am thinking, I might have called and if I hit the flop donked into him and maybe he folds QQ :D

Opinions?
 
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Yah pocket queens would have been in his range. I think I at least call that bet. If the flop misses u check and let him bet and fold. If it hits you, also check and either call or re raise. Unless he shoves. If he shoves your probably not best. If the flop looks like 23K. I can't see you getting away from a big raise. Chances are he had a pocket pair anywhere from 9's to Q's
 
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I think a call would have been ok. We are OOP, but with a monster drawing hand like A-K, we could outflop T-T~K-K.

I think it wouldn't hurt to see the flop here.
 
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Thing is, I am pairing on the flop around 32% of the time, right?

So I am paying 0.12 for 32% chance to maybe win 0.27 (0.03 from blinds, my 0.06 and his 0.18) if he doesn't have KK or AA.

If I donk into him then I am risking another bet and could be donking into AA/KK... if I check then it gets even more tricky. If check/check then I might try to bet the turn.

It just seems this is pretty tricky since he is pretty tight and not very aggressive.

Damn. I am too green for this kind of stuff :(
 
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Just call and proceed cautiously, you are getting like 2:1 and have enough equity vs his range even though he is probably super nitty and value oriented, its not gonna be super fist pump call make lots of money spot, but folding here loses 3bb/hand and i think we can definitely lose less than this by calling, even if we lost 2bb/time with calling it would be better than folding, but yeah im happy that having a plan to continue when we flop good equity and stabbing some turns when he checks back on bad boards etc is going to make calling a decent bit better than folding.
 
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i bet he isn't running 11/9(55hands) 7handed on the BTN vs a CO opener 4bet gii.
 
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I didn't understand this last comment? :confused:

Sorry, newbie here.
 
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Defeintly don't fold pre flop.

His BTN range is going to be slightly wider even for a nit, you can't just muck and say QQ+, what about dominated hands he could quite easily be doing with?..It could be also a 3bet bluff on the BTN, given HIS image, he might feel it's a good spot to 3bet bluff.

If you flop top pair, chances are you're good or at the very least; splitting vs his A,K. He might be the sort of nitty fish who can't fold JJ/QQ/KK on a ace high board and be stubborn and just get it in, chances are he will also get in worse aces after 3betting pre, (A,T/A,J/A,Q etc)

Also; you haven't told us something which I think is quite relevent; previous hands and your image is actually really quite key here. He's a nit, but if you have been steamrolling (you have a 200bb stack, been running good or just hammering the table?) he could be 3betting like I say, much worse hands, lots of broadways and of course there are pairs he might be 3betting for value vs your CO wide raises.
 
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I have toned down the aggression lately based on advice from this forum (only doing cbets that have sense, if meeting resistance slowing down etc.), with great results.

Better hand reading also helps a lot. It is not super great since fish often hold some crazy stuff, but I read nits pretty well and often even after I fold and they go to showdown I see that I predicted their holdings well. Preflop play is a crucial key since nits raise only a handful of hands and always for the same amounts :)

I have been sitting on the table for a while so the stack size is result of gradual winning of half-stacks here and there. I am experimenting with river bet sizes that will actually get called every time even if it is obvious I am strong.

My image is usually kind of average, stats something like 15-18 / 8 / 3.

Due to SB limps I routinely show up on the river with some garbage hands that flopped "luckily" so I am not seen as totally tight, especially when I actually lose with those hands (lets say I don't intend to lose but I consider this a sort of advertising). I can't fool those who use HUDs since real stats are obvious.

Also I try to steal maybe every 3rd blinds, sometimes with a bit worse hands than normal for my range but not total crap (lets say JQ or something like that). Occasionally this too gets shown on the river.

I am aware that compared to higher level play I limp too much again (reduced it a lot on advice from the forum but then readjusted a bit) but this is a result of continuous SB limping in unraised pots and some targeted adjustments based on the opposition. I am averaging 24.7 bb/100 over 6,5k hands while mostly flying under the radar. Sample is small so I don't think it is sustainable but probably I am actually able to beat this limit (unknown for how much).

Thanks for the help, I just don't feel confident right now that I would know how to extricate myself from tricky situations yet but next few times I will try and see what happens.
 
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Tighten your VPIP/PFR, 15/8 is too wide. Although I was a bit nitty when I played FR I played 13/11.
 
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4bet getting in AK here is setting money on fire. Nits dont tend to adjust for co-btn spots and its 2nl most people don't have bluffing ranges, assuming he can bluff is a bad idea. I'd much rather fold preflop than 4bet.
 
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Tighten your VPIP/PFR, 15/8 is too wide. Although I was a bit nitty when I played FR I played 13/11.

Well I have found that when I identify really bad players on the table (VPIP 70+) it pays a lot to play some extra pots with them.

Otherwise I have to sit and wait and wait and wait and the cards may be a bit cold and then they lose everything to someone else :D
 
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nits (especially at 2nl) dont adjust, Acky line makes sense.. flat and re-evaluate.

also blow him off boards you know he hates.. 876ss etc.
 
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