$2 NLHE Full Ring: Pocket Kings hand review

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UTG: $1.80
UTG+1: $1.55
Hero (MP): $2.00
CO: $1.68
BTN: $1.66
SB: $2.24
BB: $3.69

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is MP with K K
UTG calls $0.02, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.10, 4 folds, UTG calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.23) 5 2 3 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.23, UTG raises to $1.70 all in, Hero calls $1.47

Turn: ($3.63) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($3.63) 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

UTG is 33 / 6 / 4 (18 hands)

1. I need general hand review.

Of course he has A 4 These days all I do in cash games is sit in, lose 1-5 buyins to ridiculous crap and then quit in disgust.
 
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Ok so without looking at any spoilers I would not be potting this flop but anyhow I'm also not sure what villian would be shoving here with I think 55-22-33 are possible but I think he would want to slowplay these it honestly looks like AQ-AK to me only having 18 hands on him kinda sucks but w/e it looks to me like he missed with 2 overs I'm sure someone will come along soon to tell me why I'm wrong :p
 
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Fold to flop all-in bet he has a made hand or he has air. But not seeing anything he could be chasing unless he only has one of the cards needed to make the straight.

Folding would leave you with 1.67 behind plenty to keep playing with at this table.

Folding is a hard thing to master. Pretty much ignore that feeling that you are folding to a bluff and just fold. (wish I could take my own advice)
 
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I have auto top up and am almost 50 BI deep so how much I have left behind is irrelevant here.

Since he called 4 BB raise UTG preflop first I thought he either has a pocket pair (not KK or AA or he would probably go All In) or 2 Broadways, probably suited.
Worst case scenario is that he has a set here but in that case why go All In?

Then I thought he has some kind of Ace and thinks he has outs for a gutshot if I call, so this is some kind of semi-bluff.
 
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Then I thought he has some kind of Ace and thinks he has outs for a gutshot if I call, so this is some kind of semi-bluff.

Ignore that feeling that you are folding to a bluff and just fold. If you are not going to fold with KK then go all in pre-flop with it. I cringe every time I play KK and a ace comes out on the board. KK gets beat a lot.

just my 2 cents
 
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Call. Idiots will play 66-99 that same way here. Limp/call pre and stupidly jam any flop with no overs. Folding here is horrible. Now off to click the spoiler to see his 55 or whatever.
 
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Ignore that feeling that you are folding to a bluff and just fold. If you are not going to fold with KK then go all in pre-flop with it. I cringe every time I play KK and a ace comes out on the board. KK gets beat a lot.

just my 2 cents
This is HORRIBLE advice. Just terrible.
 
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Call. Idiots will play 66-99 that same way here. Limp/call pre and stupidly jam any flop with no overs. Folding here is horrible. Now off to click the spoiler to see his 55 or whatever.

This is HORRIBLE advice. Just terrible. You told him to do exactly what he did already.

Dont listen to me just keep doing what you are doing it seems to work for WV.
 
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This is HORRIBLE advice. Just terrible. You told him to do exactly what he did already.

Dont listen to me just keep doing what you are doing it seems to work for WV.


Just because the guy had a better hand this time doesn't mean he shouldn't be calling. I don't think its even close here. Like WV said he could easily have had a mid pocket pair or even two overs. I actually think villian isn't likely to just shove a set or flopped straight- just unlucky this time around.
 
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This is HORRIBLE advice. Just terrible. You told him to do exactly what he did already.

Dont listen to me just keep doing what you are doing it seems to work for WV.
And this is why we should never post results in HA. Not even in spoilers.

Btw I agree with the bolded bit. :) Results oriented thinking has no business in HA.
 
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im always calling here, i think he could have played a mid pair, or TPTK the same way and would have slow played a set or straight
 
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I dunno about 2nl but don't think this is as easy as WV makes it out to be..

but then telling people to open jam KK pre is retarded.

results in threads ftw?
 
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I dunno about 2nl but don't think this is as easy as WV makes it out to be..

but then telling people to open jam KK pre is retarded.

results in threads ftw?
Seriously??? Because most villains hate money and jam the nuts??? This is a lesser overpair WAY more often than a set or str8. Hesitating before calling in this spot is nit-rolling imo.
 
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2nl... Fold. If he was spazzing a mid strength PP here then he would shove straight out, the check is to induce bets from air and to get you more committed with a hand he can extract value from. He is probably too dumb to even understand that process but all the same, he has a set here minimum.

This ^^ takes into consideration the majority of 2nl players, there are some who you could call here but unless you have stats or a decent read on playstyle then this is a fold.
 
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Post #4 explains my logic and though process.

I don't think the result by itself should influence discussion much. It is just pretty hilarious.
 
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Post #4 explains my logic and though process.

I don't think the result by itself should influence discussion much. It is just pretty hilarious.
Your logic is mostly right although he may or may not jam a bare Ace.
 
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Really guys? How are we not snapping this??

Ditto to everything WV has said. This will be lesser overpairs more than enough to make up for the times we run into sets and strs.
 
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Snap call, he wouldn't play a set like that and he doesn't have aces because of the limp/call pre....this screams chasing the wheel...Ax type of hand or mid/ big pp 66>1010 ....easy call imo...
 
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lol wow there is some incredible fail in this thread. Stop posting results in HA, and all you guys REALLY need to stop looking at them. There isn't a single person that legitimately thinks we should be folding here and you all know it. Stop trying to wave your e-peen around. Not calling here is lighting money on fire.

It's 2NL and he's clearly a fish so 44,66-QQ, A2, A3, A5, 42, 43, 54, and just some random A's and 4's are all in his range here. This should be you when he shoves :

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Super easy call guys. Listen to the experience itt.

Oh and fistpump whilst doing it.
 
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Gotta agree, easy call.

Really doesn't make any sense for villain to be jamming with anything that beats us - so while occasionally you'll find someone who will spaz out and do exactly that, more often than not this is a big ace, a lower overpair than ours, or something like A5 because most people's natural instinct at this level when they flop something huge like a set or a straight is to slowplay the hell out of it.
 
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Just raise more preflop against these guys. They will call a few more big blinds just as often. Think about all the times that they miss and you get those extra blinds. Or they hit their 4 and turn into calling stations. They will hit something ridiculously from time to time, just the nature of the game. Easy snap call in this hand.
 
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Well 0.10 is pretty much maximum opening raise that gets called, most of the people during my day (I am GMT +1) are huge nits and take care of what they are doing. It is pretty hard to get them to do overly stupid things unless I am doing it a bit deceptively.

Night time crew is way more prone to crazyness, probably since the money is peanuts to them. Mostly Canadians and occasional Germans do crazy stuff - no offense meant to people from those countries, I actually like all Canadians I have met and Germans are traditional friends of Croatia :D I am watching NBA these days (until the end of month), so that is perfect for me :)
 
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Learning too here and playing for 5 months on 2NL.
I don't know the table dynamics or how he sees you. When they see you as the overall good decent winner and they do this move, I would fold.
My range for him limpcalling (did he before? And you saw the cards?) is any suited A, every pair and sometimes QTs+. Reraise would be with JJ or QQ, I think he would slowplay AA and KK.
This said, he has lots of made or draw hands. If I saw him before doing this on draws, it would be snap call. If I saw him before slowplaying or never large checkraise with nuts, I would call too..
But if I don't know much and I know they don't see me as the good player, I would fold. He has a lot of possible hands. Any low pairs will make him limpcalling, and now turned in a set.. Any A with outs is also good..

I would have folded. Get more stats and take him later down. Fish like this will burn :) in fact, had almost the same situation yesterday and took all his chips when I played my nut flush flop to AI river from him :) they can't resist!
 
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