$2 NLHE Full Ring: Pocket Kings vs overbet on inside straight draw flop.

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Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 68/16/3.8

poker stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players -

UTG: $1.78
UTG+1: $2.15
MP1: $2.00
MP2: $2.06
CO: $1.87
BTN: $1.90
SB: $3.54
Hero (BB): $6.39

Villain is 68/16 from 35 hands.

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB with K ♥ K ♠
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.06, 4 folds, SB calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.24, UTG+1 calls $0.18, SB calls $0.18

Flop: ($0.72) 7 ♦ T ♣ 6 ♥ (3 players)
SB bets $3.30 all in, Hero?

Villain is quite fishy which makes me think this isn't likely to be a crazy bluff on the flop. With 1 still behind me and given the size of the bet is this a fold?
 
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Nice stack for a 2$ buyin game :)

I think this is a fold but would know more if I have seen him in action. Since you are bigger than him then this is not pure intimidation bluff, I guess he has the straight or more likely a set.

Try to observe what people are doing, especially if you two have the big stacks on the table and he is fishy.
 
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I would call. Probably has top pair or some kind of pair/combination draw. He's probably not shoving with a set or a made straight. With a monster flop, he's more likely to check/call then check/raise the turn or check/small raise the flop.
 
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The big question here is "Why is he shoving?". Normally they just call flop and shove turn or (even better) river.

My guess is that he is protecting himself from your redraw. You raised preflop so you might have some kind of a PP, worse would be TT.

With made straight he has to fear that TT and a possible full house (this is a stretch as far as thinking goes), while with a set of Ts he might fear a Broadway card for a better set.

Flop shove is atypical, hard to be sure.
 
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call, only hands that realistically beat us are AA/TT.

AA 4bets most of the time and TT never plays like that (well sometimes but less likely) so i'm just giving him a range of QQ/JJ and TP nonsense and snapping off here.
 
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I am thinking preflop TT might play exactly like that, set mining against what is probably a bigger PP.
 
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TT doesn't open shove flop enough though for us to fold here.
 
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Thanks for responses and apologies for delay in update - wife very selfishly went into labour just after posting this!

Here's how it played out....

Flop: ($0.72) 7 ♦ T ♣ 6 ♥ (3 players)
SB bets $3.30 all in, Hero calls $3.30, UTG+1 folds

Turn: ($7.32) 9 ♥ (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($7.32) J ♥ (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $7.32
SB shows 6 ♣ 6 ♦ (three of a kind, Sixes)
Hero shows K ♥ K ♠ (a pair of Kings)
SB wins $7.06
(Rake: $0.26)

Saw the result and slapped myself for being so stupid, but good to see I wasn't the only one who would have called. Was actually my first effort at 10 tabling so probably wasn't concentrating enough on the amount he had bet - and obviously hadn't seen any of his other hands playing out. Was also cocky cos I had only bought in for $2.

Lesson learned, but that said it was still a 3+ BI winning session, and I now have a gorgeous baby boy so life not too bad!
 
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congrats, and congrats again
was a good call, specially with 12 tbls and a very prego wife lol
more often than not, you'll win
now go kiss your child
 
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10 tabling :O well in that case lapses are normal, no?
 
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Although he turned up with a set on this occasion don't think you were wrong to call. The vast majority of the time you will have the best hand here, i'm calling this all day unless I have a specific read villain only overbets with the nuts. So yea you were right to call, just a cooler on this occasion
 
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OK this time I decided to call just to prove the point to esteemed colleagues who think these bets should be called :)

UTG: $1.38 ( 29 / 10 / 1 from 21 hands)
UTG+1: $1.24
UTG+2: $1.84
Hero (MP1): $2.17
MP2: $0.63
CO: $1.00
BTN: $0.86
SB: $2.00
BB: $2.00

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is MP1 with A :heart: A :diamond:
UTG calls $0.02, UTG+1 calls $0.02, UTG+2 calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.12, 4 folds, BB calls $0.10, UTG calls $0.10, UTG+1 calls $0.10, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.51) 7 :spade: 2 :diamond: J :heart: (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $0.02, Hero raises to $0.52, BB folds, UTG raises to $1.26 all in, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls $0.74

Turn: ($3.05) 8 :diamond: (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($3.05) 4 :spade: (2 players - 1 is all in)

He has 22 in hand.

So:
1. This type of bet is nearly always a set, two pairs at the least.
2. These people pay any price preflop with a small PP just to set mine
 
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LD1977 said:
OK this time I decided to call just to prove the point to esteemed colleagues who think these bets should be called :)

UTG: $1.38 ( 29 / 10 / 1 from 21 hands)
UTG+1: $1.24
UTG+2: $1.84
Hero (MP1): $2.17
MP2: $0.63
CO: $1.00
BTN: $0.86
SB: $2.00
BB: $2.00

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is MP1 with A <font color='red'>♥</font> A <font color='red'>♦</font>
UTG calls $0.02, UTG+1 calls $0.02, UTG+2 calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.12, 4 folds, BB calls $0.10, UTG calls $0.10, UTG+1 calls $0.10, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.51) 7 <font color='black'>♠</font> 2 <font color='red'>♦</font> J <font color='red'>♥</font> (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $0.02, Hero raises to $0.52, BB folds, UTG raises to $1.26 all in, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls $0.74

Turn: ($3.05) 8 <font color='red'>♦</font> (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($3.05) 4 <font color='black'>♠</font> (2 players - 1 is all in)

He has 22 in hand.

So:
1. This type of bet is nearly always a set, two pairs at the least.
2. These people pay any price preflop with a small PP just to set mine
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That's not really anything like OP's hand because at no point did he overbet, he just re raised your raise a normal amount which was all in. Although yea I think you played that hand well and I'm calling that shove everytime. He had a set on this occassion but he'll show up with Jx and other random crap a lot more to make that call profitable in the long run
 
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Point is if you see All In aggression on the flop from passives then they are pretty sure they got it.
 
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LD1977 said:
Point is if you see All In aggression on the flop from passives then they are pretty sure they got it.
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meh if he was deeper I may have folded in your hand but he could still turn up with Jx a lot
 
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LD1977 said:
Point is if you see All In aggression on the flop from passives then they are pretty sure they got it.
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In regards to OP's hand there is no evidence that the villain is passive. So until that point it's a call. As for your hand.... Even more of a call.
 
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I was almost sure he has a set so it was definitely a mistake to call. But what the hell, it wasn't so pricy and I can always suck out... I mean theoretically I should suck out about the same amount of time as all the others :D
 
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LD1977 said:
I was almost sure he has a set so it was definitely a mistake to call. But what the hell, it wasn't so pricy and I can always suck out... I mean theoretically I should suck out about the same amount of time as all the others :D
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It's not a mistake to call at all. Never ever ever folding that. He's shoving worse hands more than enough to make up for the time he shows up with sets.
 
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