$2 NLHE Full Ring: Play Correction wanted, and villain hand prediction

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 9/2/17

Thoughts, critism, and correction of my play would be helpful.What would you have put the villain on?

Poker Stars - $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em (8 players)
Poker Stars Hand Converter Tool from CardsChat.com

BU: $4.60
BU: $1.53
BU: $2.10
BU Hero: $1.10
BU: $0.95
MP+2: $1.23
CO: $0.76
BTN: $2.37
Edgehead888 - Sitting Out

Pre-flop: ($0.03) Hero is BU and dealt
BU folds, Hero calls $0.02, 3 folds, BTN calls $0.02, BU calls $0.01, BU checks

Flop: ($0.08) (4 players)
BU bets $0.02, BU calls $0.02, Hero raises $0.06, BTN folds, BU calls $0.04, BU calls $0.04

Turn: ($0.26) (3 players)
BU checks, BU checks, Hero bets $0.15, BU calls $0.15, BU calls $0.15

River: ($0.71) (3 players)
BU checks, BU bets $0.18, Hero raises $0.40, BU folds, BU raises $0.74, Hero calls $0.47 (All-in), BU returned $0.05

BU Villain - ???

1st doesn't matter what he had.

Don't like the open limp preflop but if they're going to pay you off when you hit I guess it's ok at 2nl.

Bet bigger on the flop (~.12) and the turn. Shove river.

First thing, enable auto top up when you are playing cash games. This way you will always have 100bbs and get the most value from donks with your big hands.

Something is up with the hand history calling most positions BU, I think we are playing against SB and BB yeh?

Limping in with small pocket pairs is really only good when we are fairly deep stacked, with 100bbs we would have a lot better implied odds in this situation.

On the flop you could be raising it more, say 0.12. We are still very likely to get a caller, especially if they have a queen or flush draw. In this situation we need to raise it as much as we think they will call.

On the river, I am not so sure. Villain is very tight and passive so the bet on the river after checking both flop and turn could indicate he has a monster. The flush draw has missed, unless he had a small flush draw and has managed to get the straight by the river. QQ and 99 are possible against someone who only raises 2% of hands...Being the BB he could have any number of 2 pair hands.

Just had a look in pokerstove and we are well ahead of this range so getting stacks in on the river is great for us.

Board: 9c 3s Qs 4h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 78.877% 78.88% 00.00% 1180 0.00 { 3d3h }
Hand 1: 21.123% 21.12% 00.00% 316 0.00 { QQ, 99, AQs, Q9s, Q3s, 93s, 7s5s, AQo, Q9o, Q3o, 93o }

WVHillbilly said:

1st doesn't matter what he had.

Don't like the open limp preflop but if they're going to pay you off when you hit I guess it's ok at 2nl.

Bet bigger on the flop (~.12) and the turn. Shove river.

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Yeah, I was thinking about the limping possibly being a mistake. If I had raised preflop.. I probably would have won this hand.

The reason why I didn't raise more post-flop, is because I usually don't like betting more than pot. I should probably readjust my game in that sense.. but since I did limp pre, I don't think it would have mattered to the villain if I rose it up .12 instead of .06. I'm sure he still would followed me to the end.

stubzy11 said:

First thing, enable auto top up when you are playing cash games. This way you will always have 100bbs and get the most value from donks with your big hands.

Something is up with the hand history calling most positions BU, I think we are playing against SB and BB yeh?

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Yep, the SB is the villain.

stubzy11 said:

Limping in with small pocket pairs is really only good when we are fairly deep stacked, with 100bbs we would have a lot better implied odds in this situation.

On the flop you could be raising it more, say 0.12. We are still very likely to get a caller, especially if they have a queen or flush draw. In this situation we need to raise it as much as we think they will call.

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Noted from both you and WV.. I am rethinking my cash game strategy, now.

stubzy11 said:

On the river, I am not so sure. Villain is very tight and passive so the bet on the river after checking both flop and turn could indicate he has a monster. The flush draw has missed, unless he had a small flush draw and has managed to get the straight by the river. QQ and 99 are possible against someone who only raises 2% of hands...Being the BB he could have any number of 2 pair hands.

Just had a look in pokerstove and we are well ahead of this range so getting stacks in on the river is great for us.

Board: 9c 3s Qs 4h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 78.877% 78.88% 00.00% 1180 0.00 { 3d3h }
Hand 1: 21.123% 21.12% 00.00% 316 0.00 { QQ, 99, AQs, Q9s, Q3s, 93s, 7s5s, AQo, Q9o, Q3o, 93o }

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Good call, Stubzy. I did not have him on QQ or 99.. I pegged him on the flush draw. I was right.. unfortunately, he runnered his straight. I thought he was trying to push me off the river.

Villain had

When it gets to you on the flop the the pot is .12 so a pot sized bet would actually be like .14 . You could probably bet .30 and get the exact same callers you'd get with a .08 bet.

Like I said earlier his hand is irrelevant because you crush his range and you're never not trying to get all in here.

WVHillbilly said:

When it gets to you on the flop the the pot is .12 so a pot sized bet would actually be like .14 . You could probably bet .30 and get the exact same callers you'd get with a .08 bet.

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I've been trying to raise the same amount each time I raise preflop, which has been 4x the BB.. usually, not matter what I have.. unless there are a lot of limpers, then I'll go 5-6x the BB. Should I change my way of raising pre? On low PP's like that, I have been limping.. probably a no-no, then, huh?

Note: I have always been more of a Tournament/SNG player.. I'm really trying to work on my ring games. I just started regularly playing ring games this past week and a half.

WVHillbilly said:

Like I said earlier his hand is irrelevant because you crush his range and you're never not trying to get all in here.

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gotcha. *noted

4x the bb plus 1bb for each limper will work ok at these levels. As long as we are playing fairly tight we will be playing better hands than most villains almost always, therefore we need to be raising as much as we think people will call. Keeping the raises the same or at least very close is ok as nobody really takes note on how much you are raising anyway.

As WV said earlier, limping with small pockets is ok if you are going to get paid off a lot. I think at 2NL you will get paid off enough to make it profitable, just remember that as you move up this will become less and less profitable and you will need to stop it eventually.

Mortis said:

I've been trying to raise the same amount each time I raise preflop, which has been 4x the BB.. usually, not matter what I have.. unless there are a lot of limpers, then I'll go 5-6x the BB. Should I change my way of raising pre? On low PP's like that, I have been limping.. probably a no-no, then, huh?

Note: I have always been more of a Tournament/SNG player.. I'm really trying to work on my ring games. I just started regularly playing ring games this past week and a half.

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I was talking about the flop bet size not preflop. Like I said I think open limping small pp in EP at 2nl is likely profitable.

stubzy11 said:

4x the bb plus 1bb for each limper will work ok at these levels. As long as we are playing fairly tight we will be playing better hands than most villains almost always, therefore we need to be raising as much as we think people will call. Keeping the raises the same or at least very close is ok as nobody really takes note on how much you are raising anyway.

As WV said earlier, limping with small pockets is ok if you are going to get paid off a lot. I think at 2NL you will get paid off enough to make it profitable, just remember that as you move up this will become less and less profitable and you will need to stop it eventually.

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WVHillbilly said:

I was talking about the flop bet size not preflop. Like I said I think open limping small pp in EP at 2nl is likely profitable.

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Thanks guys!

Turn on Auto cap to 100 bb at all times....you need to have a full stack at all times...

ALL IN CLUBS said:

Turn on Auto cap to 100 bb at all times....you need to have a full stack at all times...

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Which would be $2, right? Which is what I started out at that table with.. had a bad run there that brought me down to $1.10.

They actually let you buy-in for $5 at those tables, though.

there is an auto top up feature that tops you up every time you lose anything. I'm not sure how you do it in stars but it will be in the options somewhere. Every time you lose a hand or pay the blinds you will get topped up to 100bbs before the next hand

stubzy11 said:

there is an auto top up feature that tops you up every time you lose anything. I'm not sure how you do it in stars but it will be in the options somewhere. Every time you lose a hand or pay the blinds you will get topped up to 100bbs before the next hand

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I have no idea how to do that either.. haven't seen anything like that before. I'll figure it out, though.

Mortis said:

I have no idea how to do that either.. haven't seen anything like that before. I'll figure it out, though.

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Hey Mortis,

In poker stars, go to the Options menu from the lobby. Select Auto-Rebuy (Ring Games) ...

Hope this helps.

grunching:
don't mind the pf limp, but once you hit that set you gotta get it in there - big bet on the flop and shove the turn, if he has 5 7 or a flush draw make him pay to see the river.

in fulltilt its something like options < buy in preferences < and than click auto top up as well as set it to 100bbs

I agree with the top up advice. The best odds call with a small pair is if your opponent has a big stack also. It is worthwhile to call up to 8 percent of your opponents stack with a pocket pair, but if he bets more you start losing implied odds on a call. ( unless you have AA or KK ). At this level if I flop a set and the board shows a flush draw, I will usually bet my whole stack on the flop and make him pay to hit his draw. You will be surprised how many calls you will get. The set really drops in value when the other flush card hits the board so I want to get it in early.

jazzaxe said:

I agree with the top up advice. The best odds call with a small pair is if your opponent has a big stack also. It is worthwhile to call up to 8 percent of your opponents stack with a pocket pair, but if he bets more you start losing implied odds on a call. ( unless you have AA or KK ). At this level if I flop a set and the board shows a flush draw, I will usually bet my whole stack on the flop and make him pay to hit his draw. You will be surprised how many calls you will get. The set really drops in value when the other flush card hits the board so I want to get it in early.

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This is not good. If we want to charge flush draws we can do so by giving them incorrect odds to be making the call. If we just shove we are missing out on sooooo much value every time villain folds. We want to get as much value from our big hands as we possibly can, not scare people off just because they have a draw.

debpes said:

Hey Mortis,

In Poker Stars, go to the Options menu from the lobby. Select Auto-Rebuy (Ring Games) ...

Hope this helps.

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Thanks debpes! Done!