$2 NLHE Full Ring: passive play, enormous overbet - is this a bluff?

Only been at the table one round and this villain has stats of 20/0, so this is the first time that they have raised (from a very small sample, obviously).

My stats at this table are 18/9 so far, and I am playing much too passively.

Poker Stars - $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em (8 players)
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SB: $2
BB: $2
UTG: $5.46
UTG+1: $2.07
MP: $1.67
MP+1: $3.03
CO: $1.99
BTN Hero: $2

Pre-flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN and dealt
UTG raises to $0.10, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.10, BB folds

Flop: ($0.23) (2 players)
UTG bets $0.90

Based on the limited amount of information available, how do you view this enormous overbet? What would you do?

Do you overbet yourself?

Are overbets generally for value, to bluff or when you set mine and hit a set, for example?

Why call preflop??

Not playing very well

I would agree. You need to be folding this pre flop.

As played he could have AK maybe KK and he's betting big to see if you have it. This is basically never a value overbet (at least not in his mind).

So if I'm folding AJ OTB to a big raise UTG, how about AQ?

Generally against a tight opening range yes.

Well, I cant believe that in this $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em (8 players) game you could fold AJ preflop on the button with only one raiser. Someone?

OMG fully stacked! WVH you're getting somewhere And yeah I'd never play AJo unless im opening or calling a SB steal

braposo said:

Well, I cant believe that in this $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em (8 players) game you could fold AJ preflop on the button with only one raiser. Someone?

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Yeah its standard AJo is pretty trash

WVHillbilly said:

Why call preflop??

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+100. with pf action, ask yourself FF, what does AJo beat? fold and wait for much better hands.

It's really about how does your hand play postflop not if we're ahead pre.

Say you call with AQ, flop is A high, UTG opener cbets, and you call. Turn is a blank, he bets again, you call? River should help no one and he shoves for a little less than pot. Are you calling? TP2K wins here occasionally but probably not often enough to make calling correct (again talking tight opening passive players).

Now again we call preflop, flop is A high, and opener cbets, we call. Turn is blank. He checks we bet, he folds.

So it's a spot where our reverse implied odds are high and we should default to only calling with a stronger range than the person opening.

sure WV i understand that. but getting rid of junk like AJo in that position after that action should be of the upmost importance at this level.

You need to stop limping so damn much and start raising more

AJ vs. UTG nit is a really standard fold.

+1

You're going to see KK here sometimes but I'd just fold and feel pretty good about it.

baudib1 said:

AJ vs. UTG nit is a really standard fold.

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Since when was 20/0 a nit in FR?

When he limps his range is wide, but when he raises, it's strong.

I'd just fold pre due to the slightly oversized raise plus I am not really a fan of flatting with this hand anyways. I would 3bet or fold. LOL at the flop bet. Idk, I just fold without thinking too much about it. I'm not going to continue so I'd rather not waste my time trying to figure out what it means. If he does it multiple times more in the future, then I will think about it.

WVHillbilly said:

When he limps his range is wide, but when he raises, it's strong.

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OK that makes sense, thanks for the clarification.

BlackRain79 said:

I'd just fold pre due to the slightly oversized raise plus I am not really a fan of flatting with this hand anyways. I would 3bet or fold.

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Yes, those will probably be my options in future, with folding being the top choice, especially if I am playing a lot of tables.

Idk, I just fold without thinking too much about it. I'm not going to continue so I'd rather not waste my time trying to figure out what it means. If he does it multiple times more in the future, then I will think about it.

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I think that this is very sound advice. As it turned out this villain was actually a complete drooler, but at that point in time (although the flop bet might be a hint) there was no way of knowing that for sure.

Do you overbet yourself?

Are overbets generally for value, to bluff or when you set mine and hit a set, for example?

EDIT: this hand was a few minutes later against the same villain.

Poker Stars - $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em (8 players)
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SB: $1.33
BB: $3.44
UTG: $1.91
UTG+1 Hero: $2
MP: $2.18
MP+1: $2
CO: $7.24
BTN: $2


Pre-flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG+1 and dealt
UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.08, MP calls $0.08, MP+1 folds, CO raises to $0.20, BTN folds, SB calls $0.19, BB folds, Hero raises to $0.60, MP folds, CO raises to $1.96, SB folds, Hero calls $1.36 (All-in)


Flop: ($4.22) (2 players)
Hero bets $0.04 (All-in), CO calls $0.04


Turn: ($4.30) (2 players)


River: ($4.30) (2 players)


Final Pot: $4.30


Showdown:


Hero shows (a pair of kings)


CO mucks (a pair of tens)


Outcome: Hero wins $4.09

In my experience, 99% of the time an overbet is always for value in 10NL.