$2 NLHE Full Ring: Not sure if my play was mathematically correct

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Party Poker - $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Holdem (9 players)
Party Poker Hand Converter Tool from CardsChat.com

SB: $1.98
BB: $1.34
UTG: $2.16
UTG+1: $2
MP: $2 (sitting out)
MP+1: $1.81
MP+2 Hero: $2.06
CO: $2
BTN: $0.78

Pre-flop: ($0.03) Hero is MP+2 and dealt :qc4: :ks4:
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $0.02, MP+1 calls $0.02, Hero calls $0.02, 2 folds, SB calls $0.01, BB checks

Flop: ($0.10) :qs4: :8s4: :7s4: (6 players)
SB bets $0.07, BB calls $0.07, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.07

Turn: ($0.31) :qs4: :8s4: :7s4: :jh4: (4 players)
SB bets $0.22, BB folds, Hero calls $0.22

River: ($0.75) :qs4: :8s4: :7s4: :jh4: :3s4: (3 players)
SB bets $0.36, Hero raises to $1.35, SB folds

Villain I played with to the end is a LAG with VPIp of 30 and PFR of 23. The other villain is more loose passive with VPIP of 38 and PFR of 11.

I decided not to raise this hand because I was uncomfortable raising up to 12c or so with KQo which I would have to insta fold to a reraise. I thought the flop was favorable for me since AQ would have raised preflop and I have the King high flush draw. I know it is very possible for someone to be playing 87o and have 2 pair so I decided to call the 2 raises instead of reraising. The turn was not a great card for me since that adds QJ as another hand that beats me but I felt I could still gain a better hand by hitting my flush or a king for a better 2 pair.

I hit my flush on the river and feel I have the best hand which is why I reraise the river. Looking back I think I reraised too much on river for him to call my river bet for additional value but I though a big bet might look bluffy while even a simple river reraise with 4 to a flush be folded anyways.

I dont think I played this hand well since I was calling too much although it was against a LAG who would have probably simply reraised my bets and force me to fold. I want to know more about the math behind playing these hands and how I could play this hand better. Any advice?
 
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I stopped reading at: "Hero calls $0.02"

Limping here is bad, period.

Not even sure about what maths you want to know about???
 
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Here is some math KQo vs 87o is 64% to 36% pre, so raise pre!
 
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You were mathematically incorrect preflop as already stated. Your strong holdings became weak allowing by 6 people in the hand.

You were mathematically incorrect after the flop. You under valued your hand. Should have raised here also.

At least I looked as far as the flop :p
 
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Ok so my limp was bad. How much should I raise? 12c? If we are reraised, do we insta fold? Is there any hand we can call with?
 
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Yes.

You could probably limp behind with small pps
 
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You seem really worried about getting 3 bet. That is the wrong approach. When your turn came you have a clear value bet. Worse hands can call you. If a three bet happens then yes fold but cross that bridge when you come to it. Your job at that moment is to get value for your hand. Limping obviously doesn't get max value.

Make the correct decision at that moment. If circumstances change (i.e. three bet) than make the correct decision in the new circumstances. Don't be afraid of monsters under the bed.
 
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You seem really worried about getting 3 bet. That is the wrong approach. When your turn came you have a clear value bet. Worse hands can call you. If a three bet happens then yes fold but cross that bridge when you come to it. Your job at that moment is to get value for your hand. Limping obviously doesn't get max value.

Make the correct decision at that moment. If circumstances change (i.e. three bet) than make the correct decision in the new circumstances. Don't be afraid of monsters under the bed.
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Play with confidence - it scares the crap out of other players :p Then they become the one's afraid YOU are going to come over the top of them. Which shoes would you rather be wearing? It takes alittle bit to get used to this and you will see a little more swings in your stack size - but you will also see your stack size bigger than usual in the long run. BUT while you are doing this do not forget the basic principal of small hand, small pot - large hand, large pot. In other words this is not license to become an out of control maniac. Remember to exercise pot control. And don't get the fever - get out when it doesn't work.

Remember that the chances favor your opponent totally missing the flop. Your raise allows you to to take a shot at the pot after the flop (that they probably missed) since you already came on strong PF. A PF limp indicates you are weak and need a lot of help on the flop. A lot of players recognize this and will not give much respect to your c-bet/donk bet after the flop, so they will float to the turn. This gives them two things - if you were bluffing it will scare you and cause you to shut down (and they will own you) - they also get to see another card that will do one of two things - it will hit them or it will allow them to rep something on a bluff.

Using this particular hand - you limp and I act right after you with 78 (or 56, or 9T). Well I just might(especially if the table has shown they will allow it) limp myself to see if I can sneak in and hit the flop and then I am going to end up with two pair or a nice straight draw (maybe even a straight flush draw). But let's say you raise to .12 - now I am going to have to fold because I can't justify the preflop investment with that kind of a hand. Your raise can chase out a lot of speculation. Your limp allows them to stay in and makes a whole lot more flops that much more scary for you. A good healthy raise not only eliminates competition it also can eliminate flops you have to be mega worried about (like a 7 and 8). But you have to know your opponent and have good ranging on them - would they play 78s on a big raise from middle position? There are no easy answers so all the more reason to eliminate as many answers as you can by raising.

This is pretty synthesized but I hope you get the idea.
 
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River all in wrong. You get called by A of spades, rarely by lower. Pre flop raise is important. Also raise flop.
 
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