$2 NLHE Full Ring: Middle-Set on Draw Heavy Board

I figured the pre-flop re-raise was a good idea here. His next actions give me an idea where I'm at and has the additional benefit of making my hand look strong on most flops.

His flop call made me hope he had TPTK or similar, but of course I can't rule out the nut flush draw or some sort of AK, AJ, or JJ type draw either. And I certainly can't rule out QQ which would suck, but I don't think I'm running into that often in this spot. Even when I do, he's re-raising me on this flop at least half of the time isn't he?

I don't think I'm behind too often on this turn, but I do have draws to be concerned with. Should I bet low here to keep him in?, or higher to charge him for his draws?

Either way, if river is a scare card, like a straight or flush completing card that doesn't pair the board, what am I looking to do in that event?



pokerstars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed)

Button ($1.65)
SB ($2.42)
BB ($0.93)
UTG ($8.02)
UTG+1 ($3.09)
MP1 ($0.22)
Hero (MP2) ($2.24)
MP3 ($1.08)
CO ($2.22)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 10 , 10
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, 3 folds, SB raises to $0.14, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.30, SB calls $0.16

Flop: ($0.62) 10 , 5 , Q (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.33, SB calls $0.33

Turn: ($1.28) 2 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero ??

This isn't a draw heavy board. If you're gonna 4bet here, I'd prolly go larger. And I'm betting more on the flop. Ideally my sizing's here would be something like preflop: 4bet to .45. Flop cbet .55-.60. Turn I'd go about 1, and the river i'd shove the last 1.25 or w/e it is.

Blobweird123 said:

This isn't a draw heavy board. If you're gonna 4bet here, I'd prolly go larger. And I'm betting more on the flop. Ideally my sizing's here would be something like preflop: 4bet to .45. Flop cbet .55-.60. Turn I'd go about 1, and the river i'd shove the last 1.25 or w/e it is.

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You don't look at 2-flush cards, and 3 broadway cards as draw heavy?

I think the smaller pre-flop re-raises looks stronger, and have the added benefit of me losing less if I get re-popped and have to fold.

Don't get me wrong, your comment is appreciated, but you don't offer your thought process or rationale.

Creepy Jackalope said:

You don't look at 2-flush cards, and 3 broadway cards as draw heavy?

I think the smaller pre-flop re-raises looks stronger, and have the added benefit of me losing less if I get re-popped and have to fold.

Don't get me wrong, your comment is appreciated, but you don't offer your thought process or rationale.

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2 FLUSH CARDS YEA, BUT WHERE ARE THE 3 BROADWAY CARDS?????


there are only two, and the majority of the time you are way ahead here and since he calls your 4bet pre, then alot of the time he will be making calls/floats (with draws if your lucky) on this flop with worse due to preflop dynamics and the fact that an ace or king didnt land.

you want to be inflating the pot as much and as earlyas possible. Esp at 2NL. where people pot commit themselves unknowingly.


70-90% the flop and simply jam turn. You dont want river making the board any scarrier for either one of you.

vinylspiros said:

2 FLUSH CARDS YEA, BUT WHERE ARE THE 3 BROADWAY CARDS?????

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Haha ya the 3 was a typo. New keyboard and I been messing up all week.

Bet more on the flop since it's pretty draw heavy. Especially since it could have hit his min 3-bet raising range a ton. I don't mind 4-betting pre-flop, but I'd keep the 4-bet small for value. I don't mind calling either and using position. It's going to depend mostly on reads.

As played, ~ $1 on turn.

As already said if you planning to 4 bet do it bigger, he already made relatively small 3 bet and with bigger 4 bet you would have better idea how strong his holding is, because he would probably shove with KK+ or even maybe with QQ+ AK. Flop comes with possible str8 draw and FD but the only hand that beats you on flop is QQ and what are the chances that you get flat called on your light 4 bet pre? I would consider myself huge favorite and since it is a possible drawing board i would bet bigger on flop at least 2/3 of the pot and i would do the slightly bigger on turn...

Creepy Jackalope said:

You don't look at 2-flush cards, and 3 broadway cards as draw heavy?

I think the smaller pre-flop re-raises looks stronger, and have the added benefit of me losing less if I get re-popped and have to fold.

Don't get me wrong, your comment is appreciated, but you don't offer your thought process or rationale.

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My thought process is we have position vs a weak player (assuming he's weak due to weak 3bet sizing). Postflop my thought process is we have a set? Not that hard of a process to figure out. Bet bet jam. And it is not a draw heavy board lol. Why does that keep getting stated? One FD and a str8 draw that requires him 3betting a gapper KJ/J9 to have open ended. Yeah not draw heavy.

Blobweird123 said:

My thought process is we have position vs a weak player (assuming he's weak due to weak 3bet sizing). Postflop my thought process is we have a set? Not that hard of a process to figure out. Bet bet jam. And it is not a draw heavy board lol. Why does that keep getting stated? One FD and a str8 draw that requires him 3betting a gapper KJ/J9 to have open ended. Yeah not draw heavy.

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I'm not following this logic at all... sorry not trying to be difficult but I'm just not.

You think bet bigger is the thing to do, and that's fine, but why if it's not a drawing board. Wouldn't I want to keep him in this pot? If he's not drawing to anything is he calling big bets?

And you don't need to have an open ender to be drawing. You say yourself you assume he's a weaker player...

Isn't it easier to keep made hand in pot then a drawing hand? if you have tptk on flop would you call pot size bet or would you call it with FD or oesd?

I tend to call the 3 bet and use position, but then that's just my style the 4 bet isn't bad I guess. Post flop bet bet jam or just bet jam. We want to bloat the pot as much and as quickly as possible. This is 2NL so they will call you with a shit ton of hands here. Even if the didn't flop a monster draw they will still continue with a ton of their range that they flat the 4 bet preflop. So take advantage by making larger value bets.

Creepy Jackalope said:

I'm not following this logic at all... sorry not trying to be difficult but I'm just not.

You think bet bigger is the thing to do, and that's fine, but why if it's not a drawing board. Wouldn't I want to keep him in this pot? If he's not drawing to anything is he calling big bets?

And you don't need to have an open ender to be drawing. You say yourself you assume he's a weaker player...

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Qx is calling bigger bets. If he folds a weak hand so be it. I'd rather get stacks 1/4 times than small pots 3/4 times. Not sure what's so hard to follow. We have a big hand, we want a big pot. That simple.

Q-high flops are arguably the nut board to flop middle/bottom set on in 3-bet/4-bet pots. Qx hands are the most common hand for people to flat with pre (AQ/KQ type hands) and is the least scary overcard for JJ. 4-bet bigger pre and bomb the flop.

He's got monsters

He has QQ obv or KK/AA. If he doesn't have anything then he's gonna be a callin station. Keep pot low I say, playing cautiously (possibleQQQ) while taking chips of an irrational or fishy player. If your bet of like 50% of pot is reraised be very careful. Learn to not fall in love.

baudib1 said:

Q-high flops are arguably the nut board to flop middle/bottom set on in 3-bet/4-bet pots. Qx hands are the most common hand for people to flat with pre (AQ/KQ type hands) and is the least scary overcard for JJ. 4-bet bigger pre and bomb the flop.

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That's the sort of thinking I was looking for... thanks.

Hero raises to $0.06, 3 folds, SB raises to $0.14,
He's either a donk or is pot sweetening with premium. No need to worry on this board just bet full pot on turn, and get the rest in on the river. if's hes got QQ you should be going broke.