$2 NLHE Full Ring: lol how bad am I

Just thought i'd share one of my many lol imsobad hands with you here.
Could I have played this any worse?


PokerStars - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 122 BB (VPIP: 7.69, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
UTG: 104 BB (VPIP: 37.93, PFR: 10.53, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 60)
UTG+1: 40 BB (VPIP: 17.86, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 28)
UTG+2: 71 BB (VPIP: 36.17, PFR: 2.22, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 48)
MP: 76.5 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 8.57, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 36)
MP+1: 103 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 4.63, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 108)
BTN: 18.5 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
Hero (SB): 100 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T♠ T♣

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, UTG+2 calls 1 BB, MP calls 1 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 6 BB, fold, UTG calls 5 BB, UTG+2 calls 5 BB, fold, BTN calls 5 BB

Flop: (26 BB, 4 players) 3♥ 4♠ 2♠
Hero bets 94 BB and is all-in, fold, UTG+2 calls 65 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 12.5 BB and is all-in

Turn: (168.5 BB, 3 players) A♠

River: (168.5 BB, 3 players) 3♣


basically I figured they were so bad that I was still ahead. .. . .. amidoingitrite

Yeah played fine for 2nl IMO, and they are not full stackers.

Shoving flop is okay I guess given you'll be committed anyway and fish will call a lot here.

Overpairs smaller than ten, any ace (because they have lol 4 outs plus perceived ace outs), flush draws and any 5x would call and put it in the bad here.

Again, well played. Also you do not want them to passively check behind to see a free card that would most likely make you puke blood

I don't really like the shove i'm more of a pot size bet and then wait what the turn brings whether we gii or not.

better odds for villains with flush draws on the flop, and it dramatically drops on the turn and their chances of taking the pot. And at these levels when villains miss the flush draw they often raise the river regardless so you'll get your money one way or another.

Aces2w1n said:

I don't really like the shove i'm more of a pot size bet and then wait what the turn brings whether we gii or not.

better odds for villains with flush draws on the flop, and it dramatically drops on the turn and their chances of taking the pot. And at these levels when villains miss the flush draw they often raise the river regardless so you'll get your money one way or another.

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I agree with you, I don't like the shove as well. I'd rather make make a bet to see where they're at, instead losing a buy-in

Limping PF would have been worse, folding even worse. Also you were ahead of them so what are you on about? You got the money in good.

Aces2w1n said:

I don't really like the shove i'm more of a pot size bet and then wait what the turn brings whether we gii or not.

better odds for villains with flush draws on the flop, and it dramatically drops on the turn and their chances of taking the pot. And at these levels when villains miss the flush draw they often raise the river regardless so you'll get your money one way or another.

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They aren't getting the right odds when we shove vs our range.

Yoshimiii said:

Limping PF would have been worse, folding even worse. Also you were ahead of them so what are you on about? You got the money in good.

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I don't know I just figured this isn't a very standard line and I could probably have saved a little by betting less then folding turn but I'm fairly new to the game so sometimes I can't really make confident decisions and assumptions while reviewing my play/hands.


Also figured people might get some sort of slight lol looking at this hand and how it played out

4 limpers, and you raise to 6BB ?! Am I missing something here? Man, you play 2nl, learn to isolate at least 2 of them. No way you can play pocket tens in a 5 or 6 way pot and expect to win unless you hit a set.
Just put in a big big raise. You want to chase every marginal hand that can beat you later with their flush/straight possibilities. You want one opponent heads up(preferably). Maybe two.
After so many limpers pot is now 12c. I would raise here to 10BB at least (maybe even more). No one showed strength, so you are probably ahead right now. If you get called by any of them, you still have a decent hand, and if you don't, you will pick up a nice pot.

Yoshimiii said:

They aren't getting the right odds when we shove vs our range.

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I don't shove ever on a flush draw but i'm always been inclined to chase big when theres at least 2 others in the pot... Perhaps this is a leak in my game but i'll often shutdown when the turn ends up cold. And bet when theres a scare out.

Pre is good, maybe a little bigger.
I hate the flop shove. TT is not some amazing nutted hand here! Even vs these guys.

Flush draws have between 60-30% equity (because of overcards & gutshot outs) we're looking at around 50% as villains will hold aces or overcards so often. Even 55 and 66 have around 40-25% equity! The hands we do well against you may fold.

Bet $19 then choose whether to shove or check/fold based on what card comes down, we could have easily got away from that Ace of spades. Don't just play scared and shove when a lot of bad turn cards can come your way, making a perfect fold on this turn would have been a good thing not a bad one.

raise bigger pre, aside from that everything else seems fine.

EDIT: oh wait no. Don't shove flop. bet like 80% and then barrel any non-spade turn.

thanks for input everyone

to be honest I knew I was making wrong play on that board just felt like I should share the laugh I had at myself with everyone else.

sometimes I can't help but be a maniac so I figured posting some of these moments here would help me play less bad in some way or another lol

I've done the same thing. Sometimes I say to heck with it, I'm probably ahead, shove, no more decisions, relax, see what happens. But I'm kind of lazy sometimes.

Yoshimiii said:

They aren't getting the right odds when we shove vs our range.

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It might be +ev still to shove here... But isn't it greater +ev if we make our move on the turn when it turns out dry for them?

Aces2w1n said:

It might be +ev still to shove here... But isn't it greater +ev if we make our move on the turn when it turns out dry for them?

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I'm not saying a shove is best, but HERO got both villains to put their money in with the worst of it, however he probably got lucky with this and it wasn't some great read or something.

Most of the deck turn cards we will hate.

Basically if HERO thinks villains will call with draws here like straight/flush draws and/or worse pairs then shoving is better than anything else, as long as when he shoves he's not folding out too much of their range to make it unprofitable, however as they are fish then this is probably unlikely. He's getting the money in good most of the time if this is the case and that's all you can do in poker.

Yoshimiii said:

I'm not saying a shove is best, but HERO got both villains to put their money in with the worst of it

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The button actually had more equity than us, even with 3 of his flush outs removed.