$2 NLHE Full Ring: KQsuited in the small blind.

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Stack sizes:
Hero: $2.49
Villain: $1.45

Villain open raises in MP to .04c.
Folds to hero in SB with KsQs.
Hero 3bets to .06c (super small I know, accidental misclick, was meant to just flat).
Villain calls.

Flop comes 7hQdKd.

Hero bets .10c
Villain snaps.

Turn comes Ah.
Hero bets 18c.
villain tank shoves for remaining $1.29
Hero has $2.16 remaining.

What do you do?

I thought he may have AK/AQ preflop, so I'm smashed on the turn if my reads are correct. He could have any set, or maybe he played J10 this way?

So many cards smash my range. The shove doesn't make much sense to me for him to have J10 though. It's screaming sets or 2 pair. which then means I'm losing to most of his range.

Thoughts?
 
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I think your assessment here is pretty sound. Personally, I would think that AK would have played a bit more aggressively earlier in the hand, but there are certainly a lot of passive players at 2nl. 77, AQ, and TJ are all a real possibility given the way the the villain has played the hand and they all have you crushed. The A on the turn does put a TON of draws out there. Perhaps he is making this move as a semi bluff with a big drawing hand like AJ or AT diamonds but I think that is much less likely than having a made hand.
Bottom line..... This would come down to what info/stats I have on the villain. If I don't have any, I think I would fold here. Mostly because you have invested so little in the pot and you are getting less than 2 to 1 pot odds to call.
 
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I agree that quite a lot could be beating you, weird shove... Any reads on the player? Could change a lot here.
 
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No reads. I had barely played 50 hands at the table not enough to get any decent information. Table played like any 2nl table plays normally.

Maybe he was bluffing since that turn card is the perfect bluff card, but even then am I winning that hand %40 of the time? That's how much I need to be winning to break even with those odds on the turn...

Running it through a simulator and I'm struggling to get more then %8 equity in that pot against the range of hands that would make sense to shove here.

I figured my equity would've been about %20 so I'd need 4-1 on the turn to get it in, but I was way off!
 
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Good spot for bluffing tho.

It is yes, but he's the one whos shoved. I don't beat enough of his range/ any of his range and I don't have enough hand history with him to determine if he's bluffing or not.

Maybe I should've hero called idk, I think it was a spewcall / fold either way.
 
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Check turn. You're not really getting 3 streets of value from any worse hands. As played, fold is fine. His range for jamming the turn is pretty strong, and you're going to be drawing dead or almost dead most of the time.
 
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Check turn. You're not really getting 3 streets of value from any worse hands. As played, fold is fine. His range for jamming the turn is pretty strong, and you're going to be drawing dead or almost dead most of the time.

Should I check/call assuming his bet isn't a shove?

If he shoves I'm folding %99 of the time as played, even if I do check the turn. But if I check turn and he bets the usual 3/4 pot etc, should I just call and peel a river? If I call the turn do I HAVE TO call the river bet? Nothing coming on the river is gonna improve his hand too much right?
This is where I get confused.
 
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I don't think anyone is really overbet shoving turn too often for 4x the pot size with a strong hand. Check-call any sized bet unless it's pot-sized or an overbet. Against a PSB, folding is probably fine because I don't think people bet pot-sized on this board with bluffs. Snap folding to an overbet, but I see overbets very rarely.

Check-fold river unimproved if he fires the last barrel. Just because you call the turn does not mean you have to call the river. Once he fires again on the river, his range is heavily skewed towards value hands, none of which KQ beat.
 
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I don't think anyone is really overbet shoving turn too often for 4x the pot size with a strong hand. Check-call any sized bet unless it's pot-sized or an overbet. Against a PSB, folding is probably fine because I don't think people bet pot-sized on this board with bluffs. Snap folding to an overbet, but I see overbets very rarely.

Check-fold river unimproved if he fires the last barrel. Just because you call the turn does not mean you have to call the river. Once he fires again on the river, his range is heavily skewed towards value hands, none of which KQ beat.

Sweet, thanks for this! I'll try employ this in similar situations next time.

Is KQsuited a bit loose to be playing from the blinds and defending with? I'm happy to defend my big blind with Q9 and K10 suited type hands so I don't feel KQsuited being too loose.
 
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Even if you didn't mean the min-raise, why would you flat this prefop? I make this 0.16$.

Check/call the turn once it hits.

As played, we can fold here.
 
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we can fold here, no reads, so i'm generally think villain solid, overall blinds bad positions, prefer play hands carefully, so if we faced with overbet - our cards beat.
 
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Even if you didn't mean the min-raise, why would you flat this prefop? I make this 0.16$.

Check/call the turn once it hits.

As played, we can fold here.

My thought process was if I 3bet then I have zero idea what to do if I get 4bet. Do I call? 5bet shove? fold?

I figured flatting out of position was a much safer way to play this hand. the misclick thankfully didn't induce a 4bet.

And when I say safer, I simply mean I didn't want to get myself into any situation that I'm not sure about. I still am not sure how to play these kinds of hands out of position more aggressively, so until I get a bit more experience this was the safer option for me.
 
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Sweet, thanks for this! I'll try employ this in similar situations next time.

Is KQsuited a bit loose to be playing from the blinds and defending with? I'm happy to defend my big blind with Q9 and K10 suited type hands so I don't feel KQsuited being too loose.

Defending KQs is okay vs MP. Fold if the raise is from UTG or UTG +1. Your hand is going to be dominated often, you're OOP, and you're pretty much stuck with a bluff-catcher OOP unless you smash the flop.

I think defending the blinds too loosely is a common leak for new players. Sure, we may have a discount, but we're OOP. It really sucks. It's much harder to float and bluff, our opponent most likely realizes all his equity and sees all 5 cards, we don't get to realize all of our equity, we can be dominated with our broadway hands and not be able to pot control, cannot take free cards whenever we want, etc. If you're going to defend Q9s from the BB, it should only be against a BTN open. Even then it's pretty marginal, even if you are very skilled. K10s is okay vs BTN/CO, definitely not against UTG/MP opens.
 
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My thought process was if I 3bet then I have zero idea what to do if I get 4bet. Do I call? 5bet shove? fold?
Depends on the size of the 4-bet but folding is going to be our most common action, yes.


Just remember that 3-betting this preflop gives us the initiative back, which can lead to us stealing the pot with a c-bet on the flop, and if he folds to the 3-bet about 70% of the time (which many players do), then it's instantly profitable to do so.
 
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I mean you're betting pretty large on turn, Into a station. I mean I can't see much that you beat here, I mean random AJ/A10/Ax hands, you're beating but that's really about all you actually beat. Everything else gets there vs you.

So as played on turn. I think best option Is to either bet/fold but not bet so much on turn, If you want to bet, and/or Check/Call option, depending on how the turn bet Is for, and then re-evaluate action on river.

Also as stated, you could've taken the 3bet line preflop. Yes I understand you mis-clicked. Also you asked If you get 4bet what to do. Easy, depending on the size of the 4bet you flat/fold. That's really all you do, KQ, is a very nice hand to have. Especially since you are In position, so since you have position, Just call depending on the 4bet size and proceed from there.
 
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