$2 NLHE Full Ring: KK OOP vs. a persistent caller

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BTN: $1.03
SB: $0.69
BB: $2.02
UTG: $0.60
UTG+1: $0.71
Hero (MP1): $3.64
MP2: $2.97
CO: $2.56

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is MP1 with K :spade: K :heart:
UTG calls $0.02, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.10, MP2 calls $0.10, 5 folds

Flop: ($0.25) 2 :heart: 6 :spade: J :diamond: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.25, MP2 calls $0.25

Turn: ($0.75) 5 :diamond: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.56, MP2 calls $0.56

River: ($1.87) 6 :diamond: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.93, MP2 calls $0.93

MP2 is 24 / 14 / 1.4 (37%) with 4.8 3-bet over 123 hands, no notes on him.

We are both deep stacked.

1. Line check?
2. Bet sizing?
- I didn't want to check turn for pot control (one pair and all that) since he might bet pot and then what? So I reduced sizing gradually to make it a mix of value bet (vs. AJ, KJ, QJ, JT suited) and blocking bet (vs. sets that will bet if I check)
3. If he raises river, then what?
- I think he likely does not have JJ (didn't 3-bet), a set has to fear I have JJ, AJ can't raise except as a bluff. Quads are a definite possibility on the river :( full houses again need to take my possible JJ into account

Serious discussion with thinking process please.
 
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You are probabely worry for nothing. Make it bigger for max value. There is no room for fancy play at 2NL. Just value big when a calling station is involved. Take his money before anyone else does.
 
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So if he has me beat I just value bet myself to death for 150 BB? Seems spewy, especially if he is a station.
 
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So if he has me beat I just value bet myself to death for 150 BB? Seems spewy, especially if he is a station.

if hes a station then we should be more happy to shove the river cause he calls more often with worse hands lol
 
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These people get off on just calling down with nuts while you bet you overpair or TPTK into them.
 
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So if he has me beat I just value bet myself to death for 150 BB? Seems spewy, especially if he is a station.
No a station is the guy who will put in 150bb with Jx (or worse) here.

I really think you'd benefit from reading Black Rain's book. Maybe you'll believe him.
 
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OK, but how can I know in advance? I had no notes on him at that point (now I do).

Basically people have told me that I shouldn't play for stacks (so often :D) with an overpair (small hand small pot etc.), which this line amounts to.

Admittedly, it kind of happened that way anyway... that is why I am not sure my line is so great BUT I hate checking turn for pot control here.

His optimal line with a set (=> full house) is exactly to just call me until I slow down, then shove the rest and then I am a very unhappy bunny. He can't make a mistake.
 
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As far as sets go he's only really got 22. There is just SO much more to get value from here against this guy that worrying about sets is silly.
 
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Why do you think 66 is unlikely? JJ is probably out (no 3bet).
 
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Well because after the river 66 is 1 combo. 55 likely folds to the flop bet.
 
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Yeah, 55 is out, he would have to be a total retard to call flop with that.

66 is discounted in hindsight, but of course OTF I can't know that ;)
I kind of made my betting plan OTF and stuck to it... the question is if that plan has merit :p
 
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Ok so on the flop there are 6 set combos. There are 12 combos of AJ alone.
 
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Sure, sure, but this is a question of calling frequency too.

All sets call with 100% frequency.
AJ calls depending on his level of retardation :D best he can hope for is AK/AQ/AJs depending on my MP raising range (which has JJ+ included for sure).
 
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Considering you said he was a station he calls AJ 100%. KJ too. Likely QJ and JT also.
 
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swingro said that, don't know on which basis.

But agree, IF I knew that he is a station then I would not fret about sets :p
 
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Anyway, we discussed this enough so here is the spoiler:

Yup, he had Js Ah. I made a note on him and expect great things from this guy in the future :D
 
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swingro said that, don't know on which basis.

But agree, IF I knew that he is a station then I would not fret about sets :p
You called him a "persistent caller". I took that to mean station.
 
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Ahhh, my bad. I thought it in a slightly different manner.

He turned out to in fact be a station but if he had a set then it might not have been so.
 
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So much lost value it makes my eyes bleed.

Villain is a bad reg with a very transparent range that is almost entirely Jx. Not stacking here is almost criminal. Huge overpairs are hard to have; sets are even harder; a pair of Kings on a J-high board vs. a station is a huge hand.
 
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