$2 NLHE Full Ring: KK in 3-bet pot against a flop shove

Hero (CO): $2.18
BTN: $0.99
SB: $0.80
BB: $2.65
UTG: $1.98
UTG+1: $2.06
UTG+2: $2.00
MP1: $1.13
MP2: $0.77

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is CO with K ♦ K ♣
UTG calls $0.02, UTG+1 raises to $0.10, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 4 folds, UTG+1 raises to $0.90, Hero calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.85) 7 ♣ 7 ♠ 3 ♥ (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $1.16 all in, Hero calls $1.16

Turn: ($4.17) J ♦ (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($4.17) J ♠ (2 players - 1 is all in)

UTG+1 is 14 / 7 / 7.3 over 374 hands, no 3-bet stats

OK this hand looks weird but I can explain

The logic goes like this:

1. Normally I don't mind stacking off preflop with KK. I figured this guy possibly 4-bets with QQ+ but if I shove he calls only with KK+ and maybe not even KK. Should I just shove anyway? Or is this one of those "he has AA, fold KK" situations? I wasn't really sure that it is so and I am not exactly a pro here, can't fold KK so easily

*** There is a nit that I saw yesterday who has stats 17 / 1 (!!!) preflop over 1k+ hands so when he raised I checked and sure enough he raises 0.7% hands preflop (meaning probably only AA) and against him I would consider it. I folded AQo without a second thought

2. My flop line if OOP would be to check. It is meant to induce him to bet/shove his entire range, while if I shove/bet he calls with/shoves only AA. Now, if his 4-bet range is only AA then I am surely beaten and have to fold KK on the flop but I wasn't really sure my hand reading is so good.

Since he is IP he shoves outright and I call based on the same logic (if his range is QQ+ then I have 50% equity + I get info on him).

(3.) If I was ready to call a shove preflop (and I was), I considered that KK was going in anyway and this way at least I can make a note about him and be certain next time.

Opinions on my logic there?

*He did have AA but that is not really important as far as theoretical discussion goes.

This is about a standard abc hand as you can get and yet u flat pre? lol.
If he 3 bets/4 bets only with K/K, A/A and he is a big big nit then you have to decide on folding pre-flop. Once you call pre-flop half of your stack is in the pot and folding any board is a major mistake. Just shove pre-flop. Your reading too much into this hand, this is just a cooler. Also if he folds pre-flop to your shove then you just got 50bb's without a showdown or sucked out on, so it's win win situation. He is Tight/Agg it seems but without a 3bet stat you can't say that A/K, Q/Q won't do this.

i am pretty much never folding KK preflop at the micro's just way to many strange plays and bad players to be sure someone has AA

shove pre flop all day long, you put half your stacks in, its all going in on the flop regardless, just shove pre and count monies

You should just go ahead and put in the last bet pre-flop. If Villain wants to fold against your range there, it's probably a mistake or about 0EV, so you're either gaining something or losing nothing if they fold. For example, if you're 5-bet shoving with KK+, AK here, then you gain if he folds QQ because he has something like 40% equity.

Decide whether your happy to stack off before 3betting! If your not happy to stack here flat his open.

I'm happy to get it in here all the same.

Karkus77 said:

i am pretty much never folding KK preflop at the micro's just way to many strange plays and bad players to be sure someone has AA

shove pre flop all day long, you put half your stacks in, its all going in on the flop regardless, just shove pre and count monies

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this.

Thanks, it seems I was overthinking this here.

Shove pre...

Over 374 he raises like 7% and he never 3-bet once. How do you think his 4-bet range looks like?
I agree play is bad at 2 NL but big nits like this are another story. Is there ever QQ in his 4-betting range? I think hell no. QQ is a the bottom of his raising range from UTG and I think he flats the 3-bet with QQ and I think he will even flat KK to a 3-bet. He plays like some ppl I know that play zoom poker. A lot of tables, fold, fold, fold, fold, AA,KK raise/shove, PP setmine/fold. You can put a big note against this type of guys (setmine because they will stackoff).

still a shove on flop

Shoveeeeeeeeee pre.

Cowboys are nice hand, hard to fold pre. In that situation if you pay for flop you are gone and it is hard not to pay for flop. But if you already know how tight he is, maybe he play multi table with only aces in hand, you should fold when he 4 reraises you.

bezobrazny said:

Cowboys are nice hand, hard to fold pre. In that situation if you pay for flop you are gone and it is hard not to pay for flop. But if you already know how tight he is, maybe he play multi table with only aces in hand, you should fold when he 4 reraises you.

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Errrrmmmm.... not this.

But when people 4 re raise its the nuts?

not always, not at 2nl. sometimes its a 2nl reg lol getting fancy-play syndrome.

Lol Tyler got a bite, reel it in mate

lol ygm

youregoodmate said:

Lol Tyler got a bite, reel it in mate

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