$2 NLHE Full Ring: KK all-in pre-flop

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Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 15/10/2

So here I am, in position holding KK against only one villain. They play solid tight-aggressive poker and my own table image is similar to theirs.

SB: $2.07 (103.5 bb)
BB: $1.57 (78.5 bb)
UTG+1: $2.94 (147 bb)
UTG+2: $0.75 (37.5 bb)
MP1: $2.33 (116.5 bb)
MP2: $0.77 (38.5 bb)
MP3: $4.56 (228 bb)
CO: $2.12 (106 bb)
Hero (BTN): $2.33 (116.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with Kd Ks
UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.02, MP1 raises to $0.08, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.20, 3 folds, MP1 raises to $0.53, Hero raises to $2.33 and is all-in

Is going all-in here a mistake? What other options do I have? How would you play?
 
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Your only options are raise or call. In my opinion you shoud absolutely never fold KK preflop in a heads up situation playing 2NLHE.
Since 4bet bluffs at these stakes are really rare you can basically put him on JJ+ or AK. When he has AA its just a cooler, so whatever. When he has jj, qq or AK I think going all in is the best way to extract maximum value because it wilm be difficult to get payed from jj,qq when an ace come up at the flop.
So overall I like your decision but I don't think this is a really difficult decision though
 
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If you have less than 150 big blinds, this is almost never a mistake. Nice hand.
 
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Its okey why you should call and see a danger flop, is okey.
 
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The way I look at it in this situation what boards are you going to fold too. If you are always going to fold to a Axx board you are going to get bluffed off your monsters to often and if you opponent doesn't have an A they are clearly going to slow down. If the Villain has say 99 and flops top set do you honestly feel you can sniff that out and not get all your money in. I don't think I could at this point in my game. I think the positives of getting 10s,JJs,QQs,AK,AQ to call All in Pre-flop, outweighs the rare occasions where Villain has AA. Suck outs happen and it sucks when it does but getting your money in when you are in the lead probably 95% of the time has a pretty good outlook of being a winning play.
 
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mmmm he raise up...just call i see flop!!! its for u flop....he call your all in??...u have a cannon bomb...he have AA soo bad!! but just play good but all in ?? mmm not sure
 
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mmmm he raise up...just call i see flop!!! its for u flop....he call your all in??...u have a cannon bomb...he have AA soo bad!! but just play good but all in ?? mmm not sure



If you call what is your decision going to be on say a A J 3 rainbow flop and V c-bets 1/4 to 1/3 the pot.
 
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Weel i think it's more than correct what you have done. This is a very nice spot, in which you can profit a lot of money very easily, epsecially playing NL2. And as some are saying, your only options are calling or shoving, and shoving is surely the best, firstly beacause of the field, and secondly cause if the villain could raise a standart bet and then raise you 4bet, is very probable that he will call, although the range can be tight he can call you with something like AKs, QQ, even an AKo on these stakes
 
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Thank you everyone, I honestly thought at first I made a mistake shoving here but that might be because villain had AA and I lost the hand. Which doesn't mean this is a losing play in the long run. I also did a quick google search afterwards instead of asking here, never a good thing.

The way I look at it in this situation what boards are you going to fold too. If you are always going to fold to a Axx board you are going to get bluffed off your monsters to often and if you opponent doesn't have an A they are clearly going to slow down. If the Villain has say 99 and flops top set do you honestly feel you can sniff that out and not get all your money in. I don't think I could at this point in my game. I think the positives of getting 10s,JJs,QQs,AK,AQ to call All in Pre-flop, outweighs the rare occasions where Villain has AA. Suck outs happen and it sucks when it does but getting your money in when you are in the lead probably 95% of the time has a pretty good outlook of being a winning play.

This is what makes the most sense to me. I'm personally more comfortable going all-in pre-flop with AA or KK so I don't have to make those tough decisions later. Opportunity like this doesn't come up too often and I was thinking what hands they'd call with instead of what I would fold to after the flop. This villain was playing really well from my point of view and I put them on a big pocket pair. Guess folding JJ or QQ would have been hard for them, and most of the time that's an easy call in NL2 too, since a lot of players raise like crazy when they have Ax or any pocket pair.
 
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Thank you everyone, I honestly thought at first I made a mistake shoving here but that might be because villain had AA and I lost the hand. Which doesn't mean this is a losing play in the long run. I also did a quick google search afterwards instead of asking here, never a good thing.



This is what makes the most sense to me. I'm personally more comfortable going all-in pre-flop with AA or KK so I don't have to make those tough decisions later. Opportunity like this doesn't come up too often and I was thinking what hands they'd call with instead of what I would fold to after the flop. This villain was playing really well from my point of view and I put them on a big pocket pair. Guess folding JJ or QQ would have been hard for them, and most of the time that's an easy call in NL2 too, since a lot of players raise like crazy when they have Ax or any pocket pair.

in that stakes and biggest one, he is doing the exactly thing with ak, qq, maybe jj.

So in long term im always shoving here.

On a deep tournament is different.
 
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probably help if you give number of hands (how reliable his stats are ) and his 3bet stat in these sort of situations
 
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It's only a mistake if he has AA.
;)
 
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probably help if you give number of hands (how reliable his stats are ) and his 3bet stat in these sort of situations

Thanks, I'll post those too next time. I had 120 hands tracked on this villain and 3bet was 2%.
 
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Against {KK+,AK} (2.11%) hero has 47.30%, rake 3.5%

EVrakeincluded= 0.965*0.4730*2.35 - 0.5470*2.13 = -4.6bb

We can include some QQ to the range, however small 4bet is practically ever AK or QQ. It’s some shit and AA mostly. Some shit by tight players won't call shove.

I go broke here always, but honestly I’m not sure if I should.
In this hand we have option to just call, for a) we have position b) we are at best break even if 4betted, and we can't really back down anymore c) if we call fish enters the pot from UTG+2 most likely

For raising we have that he calls worse.
 
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