$2 NLHE Full Ring: JJ from CO facing a 4-bet

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Full Tilt - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $3.95
UTG+1: $1.42
MP: $2.00
MP+1: $2.00
Hero (CO): $2.00
BTN: $2.00
SB: $2.00
BB: $2.00

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has J:diamond: J:club:

fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.06, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.19, fold, fold, fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.50, HERO?


His stats were 13/8/89 over 40 hands.

So is this just a spew 3-bet since his pfr is so low? I don't have any info on call 3-bets or raise 3-bets. I honestly just didn't look into his stats much since it was only 40 hands. Thoughts here... is it right just flat here?
 
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JJ is well ahead of an 8% range. 3-bet/fold is good imo.
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I would LOVE some more input on this one before I take it any further. I also am trying my best to be less results oriented. So anyone else?
 
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meh why 3-bet, just call you have position. When you 3-bet you may or may not be ahead of his calling range, but it's really hard to extract value from his calling range unless he hits a set
 
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What are we doing when he c-bets on a board that is relatively dry but we have an over pair? Or are you suggesting the I flat his pfr purely to set mine?
 
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I usually flat here vs a nitty EP opener? As played I fold.

As to what to do with our hand postflop if we just flat his open? Well we have position so we can do all kinds of fun stuff but basically we're calling flop cbets on pretty much any board and giving up to more aggression on the turn.
 
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OK. Thanks WVH. I like that line, but for some reason I just keep thinking that calling one bet is a leak.
 
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Not against a guy like this who isn't going to get out of line very often. I mean I fully expect him to cbet his entire range on most flops and then play the turn pretty straight up.
 
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Full Tilt - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $3.95
UTG+1: $1.42
MP: $2.00
MP+1: $2.00
Hero (CO): $2.00
BTN: $2.00
SB: $2.00
BB: $2.00

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has J J

fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.06, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.19, fold, fold, fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.50, HERO?


His stats were 13/8/89 over 40 hands.

So is this just a spew 3-bet since his pfr is so low? I don't have any info on call 3-bets or raise 3-bets. I honestly just didn't look into his stats much since it was only 40 hands. Thoughts here... is it right just flat here?


FWIW, limp re-raises at 2nl are almost never bluffs and are usually a very strong range, QQ+ or greater.

I don't see anything wrong with the 3bet per se. Flatting is an option if you're fairly certain the button won't squeeze. If I am on the button instead of the CO I sometimes flat QQ/ JJ/ AK against decent opponents because a 3bet folds the hands you beat and you end up playing against a range you have poor equity against. You can't call the 4bet because of stack sizes so your choices are shove or fold. Of those two I think folding would be better here.
 
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FWIW, limp re-raises at 2nl are almost never bluffs and are usually a very strong range, QQ+ or greater.

I don't see anything wrong with the raise to isolate the limpers. You can't call the re-raiise because he is a short stacker so your choices are shove or fold. Of those two I think folding would be better here.
There were no limpers preflop.
 
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Yeah we dont know enough about villain with only 40 hands but id rather flat than 3 bet here, when you have enough hands on villain say 200+ you should click on hud and see his PFR by position when putting him on a range, but it is 2nl so im assuming most players arent that positionally aware here so 3 betting isnt the worst thing to do, but also id flat here because if he is really tight from utg then he may pay us off when we set mine - oh and as played folding unless we have seen him do this with junk before
 
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Yeah we dont know enough about villain with only 40 hands but id rather flat than 3 bet here, when you have enough hands on villain say 200+ you should click on hud and see his PFR by position when putting him on a range, but it is 2nl so im assuming most players arent that positionally aware here so 3 betting isnt the worst thing to do, but also id flat here because if he is really tight from utg then he may pay us off when we set mine

the decision to flat or 3bet should be based on the button's chances of squeezing...
 
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the decision to flat or 3bet should be based on the button's chances of squeezing...

We should take it into consideration but generally this is not why we 3bet or flat, I dont think theres any reason to 3 bet here because hes UTG, seems a tight player, so calling is gonna be more profitable anyways the times we hit our set and stack his overpair or top pair
 
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I think I was just over valueing my hand. The reason I brought it up is because I was wondering how to play this hand under the assumption I just flat the pfr. I did fold here and he showed his hand, so that brought me to start asking questions of what I would have done...
 
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I like a call here although 3 betting isnt the worst at 2nl cause you can get a lot of calls from worse. Its just that this guy doesnt seem like the type to go crazy with 88-TT/AQ.

Oh ya, and...
[ ] people squeeze at 2nl.
 
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What are we doing when he c-bets on a board that is relatively dry but we have an over pair? Or are you suggesting the I flat his pfr purely to set mine?

What do you do when you have KQ or AQ and the flop comes like that? Play some poker, you're just afraid of jacks because of their "reputation". It's ok, it happens to me sometimes as well. But logically if you think of it putting him on QQ+ is just seeing monsters under the bed.
 
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What do you do when you have KQ or AQ and the flop comes like that? Play some poker, you're just afraid of jacks because of their "reputation". It's ok, it happens to me sometimes as well. But logically if you think of it putting him on QQ+ is just seeing monsters under the bed.

Good post and I understand that his range is wider than QQ+. Originally I was 3-betting for value.

3b/fold doesn't make sense to me

I was really just trying to figure out a good line for a spot like this. Again, trying not to be results oriented (he showed me AA, not sure why).

I find myself stacking off in spots like this when the flops come out low and dry. I am working on that.
 
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I was really just trying to figure out a good line for a spot like this. Again, trying not to be results oriented.

I find myself stacking off in spots like this when the flops come out low and dry. I am working on that.

you don't always have to raise a low/dry flop btw, you can call like 1 or 2 streets and then fold later if you think he's not multi-barreling stuff you beat
 
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