$2 NLHE Full Ring: $ : Was it the right move to fold my 444

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Everyone folds to me, I'm on the button.
I limp 0.02c (playing low limits)
SB Limps
BB raises to .05c
I call with 34 not suited
SB calls
Flop comes J4J
They both check, I bet .07c
SB folds, BB calls
Turn comes 4
I bet half pot, BB calls
River comes J
I check, he bets half pot and I fold.
Was this a good fold? I was was remembering how he raised when he could have checked the BB and thought he must've had AJ or some thing big like that and he was trying to trap me
 
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I'm confused man. How can you check on the button on the river? You'd be last to act. The hand history is a little tough to read. Take a look at the standard posts and it'll help you get a lot more responses.

It's just hard to evaluate this hand because I'm not really sure what happened.
 
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Soon as the board pairs overpairs to our pair alarm bells should be ringing but really could b still doing well and a lot of Ax kx will call us down or small pocket pairs.

Soon as the jack tripples up. All those hands we were beating and hoping to get value now crush us.

Simply checking pre is a mistake.
What was your reason for checking? That was first mistake.. when i say check i mean limping pre
 
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I'm confused man. How can you check on the button on the river? You'd be last to act. The hand history is a little tough to read. Take a look at the standard posts and it'll help you get a lot more responses.

It's just hard to evaluate this hand because I'm not really sure what happened.

Whoops sorry. He went first and bet then I folded. Not sure why I said I checked first on the button haha
 
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Soon as the board pairs overpairs to our pair alarm bells should be ringing but really could b still doing well and a lot of Ax kx will call us down or small pocket pairs.

Soon as the jack tripples up. All those hands we were beating and hoping to get value now crush us.

Simply checking pre is a mistake.
What was your reason for checking? That was first mistake.. when i say check i mean limping pre

So my fold was good but I shouldn't have limped? I've been limping a little bit more coz I've been reading power hold'em strategy and he says he limps sometimes. I'm not a pre flop player, I've always liked to go see the flop. Obviously I would raise with any pair 77 or higher
 
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If it's good enough to limp, it's good enough to raise. I think the advice to limp in micros is a bit outdated and although you should open your range on the button, 34o isn't the kind of hand to do it with IMO. How long have you been playing for? If you haven't played for long or want to increase your win rate, I really do suggest playing just ABC poker and be a nit preflop. If you don't have enough experience post flop, playing with better hands gives you an edge and puts you in less tricky situations such as this.

It's quite old, but this is where I wish I'd started learning http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78/micro-stakes-full-ring/complete-guide-beating-micros-430637/
 
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If it's good enough to limp, it's good enough to raise. I think the advice to limp in micros is a bit outdated and although you should open your range on the button, 34o isn't the kind of hand to do it with IMO. How long have you been playing for? If you haven't played for long or want to increase your win rate, I really do suggest playing just ABC poker and be a nit preflop. If you don't have enough experience post flop, playing with better hands gives you an edge and puts you in less tricky situations such as this.

Well I limp with bad hands sometimes or call a raise with bad hands just to ruin that persons day haha. Nah, but if someone raises its obviously a good hand, if I call with 56 then let's say the board is 64278 then there's a good chance I beat his possible AK (or I might be unlucky and run into an overpair). Is this strategy bad? I do it maybe twice an hour?
 
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Yikes, fold preflop. Or open-raise, but with 43o, I'd just fold. Limping gives your opponent a free flop while you have one of the worst hands there is. That might be ok in a live game, but not online. Raise or fold!
As played: fold to the preflop raise. The only time I ever play 43o is when I'm the BB and the flop is free.

Flop bet is ok, as is the turn bet. Lots of As are going to be staying in this. Fold to the river bet. You don't beat the board, so at best it's a chop, and chances are you're dead.


Well I limp with bad hands sometimes or call a raise with bad hands just to ruin that persons day haha. Nah, but if someone raises its obviously a good hand, if I call with 56 then let's say the board is 64278 then there's a good chance I beat his possible AK (or I might be unlucky and run into an overpair). Is this strategy bad? I do it maybe twice an hour?
The only reason to play a hand like that is to balance your range a little, which is something you shouldn't be bothering with at these stakes. Just fold them and wait for better cards.
 
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Well I limp with bad hands sometimes or call a raise with bad hands just to ruin that persons day haha. Nah, but if someone raises its obviously a good hand, if I call with 56 then let's say the board is 64278 then there's a good chance I beat his possible AK (or I might be unlucky and run into an overpair). Is this strategy bad? I do it maybe twice an hour?

Limping is just outdated... The hand could be playable if you think you are strong and experienced post flop, but even then, you should be raising this hand. You want as small a gap as you can between your VPIP and PFR which basically means no limping. I think it's better to fold this kind of hand as there's just not much you can do with it postflop.. The fold was disciplined though.
 
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So my fold was good but I shouldn't have limped? I've been limping a little bit more coz I've been reading power hold'em strategy and he says he limps sometimes. I'm not a pre flop player, I've always liked to go see the flop. Obviously I would raise with any pair 77 or higher


It's more being deceiptful with your strong hands, not with your weaker holdings.

I mean 34o is absolute trash but it can win as well so limping isn't the worst if your going to play. The worse the cards I guess the more playability we have post flop.

But even this is a hand where i'll never play, if they were suited perhaps at a final table and no one expects it coming then sure i'll try and knock out the whole table. but yeh fold this hand in general.

When your starting out you want to start tighter than open any 2.
 
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Thank you

Thanks guys for the feedback :) ill take all your ideas and put it into play. I have a notebook that I put notes in so I can remember what to do and play better. I'll put in that I gotta raise more and play a little bit more tighter.
 
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Umm... hard to me obtain some value with 43o, i'd fold this hand pre, and yes agreed with above, ABC poker good option for micros - simple, but it works.
 
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