$2 NLHE Full Ring: Was it Ok to try and take the pot on the turn?

PartyGaming - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
MP: $2.75
MP+1: $1.30
CO: $1.42
Hero (BTN): $1.63
SB: $3.95
BB: $1.64
UTG: $2.51
UTG+1: $2.10
SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has J♠ J♥
fold, fold, fold, MP+1 raises to $0.08, CO calls $0.08, Hero calls $0.08, SB calls $0.07, BB calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.40, 5 players) K♦ 8♥ 7♦
SB bets $0.06, BB calls $0.06, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.06

Turn: ($0.58, 3 players) K♥
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.10, SB calls $0.10, BB calls $0.10

River: ($0.88, 3 players) 6♥
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks


SB shows Q♦ J♦ (One Pair, Kings) (Pre 15%, Flop 39%, Turn 21%)
BB shows Q♠ Q♥ (Two Pair, Kings and Queens) (Pre 76%, Flop 57%, Turn 76%)
Hero mucks J♠ J♥ (Two Pair, Kings and Jacks) (Pre 10%, Flop 4%, Turn 2%)
BB wins $0.84

QUESTION 1: Is JJ good enough to a big raise and a call when on BTN

QUESTION 2: Should I have folded on the flop with a bettor and a caller with the overcard on the table?

QUESTION 3: Was the attempt to steal the pot on the turn a bad move when it seemed that the second K scared both of them into calling?

These are the question I ask my self. They might not be the most obvious or important questions to someone with more experience so feel free to comment on anything please

You played the whole hand way too passively imo.

1) JJ is good for a 3bet preflop.

2) As played, there is no way I'm folding to the SB's ridiculously small flop bet, and the call from the BB looks weak, so I would raise to ~25c.

3) On the turn you aren't necessarily trying to steal the pot, your hand may well still be best here and you can bet for value. If you are going to bet the turn then bet bigger, like 3/4 pot.

Also, use auto top-up so you always start with 100BB.

I think pre is fine, i raise the flop though, theres plenty of hands we beat that will call, a lot of fish bet like this with their draws or pairs like 7x 8x TT

The K on the turn is actually good for our hand as it means they are less likely to have one, i'm betting for value when checked to so I make it bigger, like 40c min.

I more inclined to 3bet pre here, considering that the initial raise is coming from MP. If he was utg or utg+1 then I like calling. Its not terrible calling either though.

I raise the flop almost always against a weak bet like this. The turn bet sucks, if you are going to bet for value then bet for value and dont be handing out everyone their odds to chase down, the board is OMG draw heavy, bet more. River check is fine.

1. I would likely reraise preflop. You're in position and have a good hand.

2. I would raise the flop. No one is showing any strength with the bet and call.

3. You have to bet more on the turn. You're calling it a steal attempt, but without knowing the results of the hand I would think you are ahead.

Let's say you didn't have a pocket pair, and you whiffed. If you want to steal, you have to make a better effort than betting 1/6 of the pot.

You need to read something on bet sizing because in the Micro stakes you should never be betting the minimum, you should never really ever be betting less than 1/2 pot.

1. A call is fine, but a raise is probably better in this spot

2. Yes the original opener is c-betting this board a lot and the other player could be calling with a draw as there are a ton of draws out there.

3. Your play on the turn is good, your bet sizing is just incorrect here

Grindabod said:

QUESTION 1: Is JJ good enough to a big raise and a call when on BTN

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Vs unknowns no.
Show us stats otherwise.

Grindabod said:

QUESTION 2: Should I have folded on the flop with a bettor and a caller with the overcard on the table?

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No with that bet size you've ample odds to call. You need to be ahead a tiny fraction of the time.

Grindabod said:

QUESTION 3: Was the attempt to steal the pot on the turn a bad move when it seemed that the second K scared both of them into calling?

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I make the bet 35c. I'm not stealing the pot though I'm betting for value vs 99/TT/8x/7x/T9/xdxd/xhxh. I play the river the same.

Deco said:

Vs unknowns no.
Show us stats otherwise.

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Just noticed it's 2NL and their both not fully stacked. 3bet away. Would still prefer stats though as even if they are very likely fish I still wouldn't like to 3bet a 30/2 or 14/5