$2 NLHE Full Ring: Did I over-value AK was it correct to call the all-in

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Hi AllVery new to this hand posting lark so please make allowances for info provided.


Hand:
Dealt to OrdinaryGuy1 [As Kc]
NinaJKU: folds
kristall85: folds
Gloowy: folds
Turtledash: folds
choose6569: calls $0.02
Dmitri Anat: calls $0.02
snow9001: raises $0.09 to $0.11
OrdinaryGuy1: raises $0.21 to $0.32
iliyan66: folds
choose6569: folds
Dmitri Anat: folds
snow9001: calls $0.21
*** FLOP *** [Th 8d 2c]
OrdinaryGuy1: bets $0.70
snow9001: raises $1.17 to $1.87 and is all-in
OrdinaryGuy1: calls $1.17
*** TURN *** [Th 8d 2c] <font color='red'>Q♥</font>
*** RIVER *** [Th 8d 2c Qh] <font color='red'>A<font face="arial">♦</font></font>
*** SHOW DOWN ***



I am OrdinaryGuy1 and the villain is snow9001


Fairly certain my flop continuation bet was way too big but mainly interested in whether I should or shouldn't have called his subsequent all-in 3 bet on the flop.


Thanks Mike
 
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Hello.
I can't see your positions,or opponents stacks.

But I assume you were on the blinds.

Your 3b was correct.
If you didn't 3b you are going to go 4ways on the flop and your hand equity will decrease a lot.

But I don't like that huge bet on the flop with AK.
You were committed to the pot and you could easily drawing almost dead.
On the flop like this with your hand a smaller bet like 40%pot could accomplish the same result as your potsize bet if villain missed that flop.And if villain hit that flop you can get away from it cheaper.

I hope you won with the A on the river.
 
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I'd say the C bet is too big. When villain flats here they are weighted toward pairs up to JJ or even QQ and suited connector type hands. The majority of which will be happy to continue on this flop.

The hands that your looking to fold out here are KQs, AJ, AQ 22- 66 and the vast majority of the time a half pot bet will do that, and if you get shoved on you can fold.

Calling the all in is probably a mistake, even if you add in the 2 main draws of J9s and 97s and your generous with villains off suit range your still only have about 24% equity. And if you tighten it down to something more realistic then your only around 15 - 21 %. So the odds just are not there. Plus people tend not to shove in these spots with complete air.
 
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Hi Both of you

Thank you for replying and for your input. Much appreciated


Thank you too for the help understanding what info I missed from my post ie position and stack sizes.


I was in the small blind with 198 big blinds and the villain was on the button with 109 bb


He actually had 10 8 suited and hit two pair on the flop!


Difficult for me to put him on rubbish like that but then I guess if everyone played the same way it would be obvious what we all had all the time.


When I reviewed the hand myself I was saying to myself you haven't got anything on this flop apart from Ace High and he clearly has something (unless it is a bluff) but I am still blinded by the attractiveness of AK but that will fade eventually I hope
 
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Hi Mike. I don't think you should be getting all in on the flop without a pair or a draw,.
 
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Very good point and when put like that makes it easy to see. Thanks Mike
 
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I think when you make a bet of that size you are getting everything worse than you to fold and only better to continue. Keep in mind that you should a reason to bet when you choose to do so. Value? Bluff? Protection? A lot of the time on a dry flop like this your hand is still going to be best, so you are betting for value and you WANT worse hands to continue putting money in behind. Something like half pot size would get the job done.
 
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Thanks for that.Also very helpful
I still have trouble getting my bet sizing right but working on it.
It was helpful to be reminded of Value Bluff Protection. I have heard them many times before but sometimes you need it stating simply like you did to get yourself to remember using it in play
thanks again


Must say this is such a refreshing start to posting for advice / opinions I have tried before on other Poker Forums but gave up because I couldn't bare the rudeness and abuse that I encountered on other sites. :)
 
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Nice hand AK preflop but not the best, not even close, now nice 3-bet preflop. Flop is when you make a wrong bet i guess overbeating (you said so). I agree Blair29 C-bet too big. Easily 1/2 pot would be good. And a fold when Villain shove all in. You didn't have even a pair or a project (flushes or straight) bad call. I fell like you felt being commited with too much and "had to call the all in" Villain's shove it is because at least had a pocket pair, even a small one. Now river shows an A. Too bad villaing got two. Your question answer itself "I should or shouldn't have called his subsequent all-in 3 bet on the flop" you shouldn't have. Villain felt like had the best hand so far and tried you to fold, he was scared of watching another card and put you maybe on range A10 QQ JJ.
 
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As others here have affirmed you were right in thinking your c-bet was way too big, I get the feeling you were snapped off by some top pair weak kicker type hand.

The lesson to learn here is that your 3-bet range is very Ajs+ heavy and people know this, some of which will go crazy and do what villain has done with middle pair-top/ pair hands.

IMO against this villain type you will end up earning a lot of money when they spaz out with their mediocre top pair hands putting you on the bottom of your range when actually you have the goods.

As played though I dont mind your call off because you've already committed so much of your stack, plus you should still be ahead of his draws when he does do this as a semi bluff, not to mention you can always catch a card.
 
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Thanks for the further replies. It is really helpful to read other peoples opinions on these situations. I think I could get to like this posting hands lark for comments.
 
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