$2 NLHE Full ring: how would you play this hand?

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Anyway. Heres the hand

$2 NLHE Full ring: how would you play this hand?

Villain unknown. Button 4 dollars
Hero utg 1.8 dollars

Hero dealt Jc Tc

Hero raises to 0.06
Villain raises to 0.18
Others fold.

I figured lets see the flop.maybe I should already have folded.

Flop Kc Qh 8d

Hero checks
Villain bets 0.20
Hero calls

Turn 3c

Hero check
Villain raises 0.50
Hero calls

River 6c
Hero raises 90 and is allin
Villain calls

Villain shows Ac 5c. Flush ace high.


I feel like I could have pressured him more on the flop. In the end I was both lucky and unlucky. And mb I should have folded his 3bet.

Any thoughts?
 
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At $2nl, JTs is a fold UTG, it's way too loose for that position.
As played, fold to the 3bet. The key here is that you are out of position, which makes JTs an easy fold in this spot. Had you been in position instead, it's probably still a fold, depending on the opponent.
However, as played... lets go to the flop.
A check call seems fine on the flop. Unless you have info that villain folds too much to check raises and/or a check raise could buy you a free river card if he is too afraid to bet turn after a flop check raise, you could do that.
On the turn you get the right odds for a call. Something to consider is reverse implied odds. 2 of your 15 outs can potentially give villain a full house or four of a kind, if he has KK or QQ, so you could lose it all to a river Qc or 8c. I still think a call is good though, since most of your outs should be good.
On the river there is no going back, easy call when you hit one of your "good" outs. Villain could still have sets and two pairs that you beat, or a total bluff.
All in all, postflop seems good. Preflop is the real problem. A solid open range from UTG is something like 88+,AKo,AQs+. Trying to get creative with marginal hands in bad positions is rarely needed at 2nl. And calling that 3bet out of position was probably the biggest mistake in this hand. Which then leads to awkward situations in which you usually lose, sometimes your entire stack.
Like this time.
 
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Thank you for your reply. I know preflop was bad. I felt hesitated but adventurous and when the flop came I couldnt really fold anymore. It just sucks to see he shouldnt have 3bet in the first place with A5s in the first place. Because knowing ppl even do that at 2nl makes me think I should call more often preflop. If I dont hit the flop I can still fold.

Or is QJs too loose? Maybe only in position? Im really new so I make lots of mistakes.
 
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Thank you for your reply. I know preflop was bad. I felt hesitated but adventurous and when the flop came I couldnt really fold anymore. It just sucks to see he shouldnt have 3bet in the first place with A5s in the first place. Because knowing ppl even do that at 2nl makes me think I should call more often preflop. If I dont hit the flop I can still fold.

Or is QJs too loose? Maybe only in position? Im really new so I make lots of mistakes.
People don't bluff often enough in 2nl for you to start calling 3bets with anything but premium hands. To be honest he was a little adventurous to 3bet your UTG open with A5s, when UTG opens are generally strong.
But 3bets at 2nl are most often AK and JJ+.
It all really depends on your opponent. If you have observed that your opponent is tight, then so is his 3bet range. Same with loose aggressive players. The looser the villain, the more hands you can start to call 3bets in position. But remember that out of position you should only call or 4bet with a really tight range. Because even if your opponent is loose, they will still have such a positional advantage over you that he can still win the pot most of the time.
 
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limit your opening range. Read some opening charts. I use upswing poker charts.
j10s at utg in a full ring is pretty loose & very optimistic.

and always top up.

post flop action you show no aggression at all. It's not a good strategy. Specially being at utg.
 
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limit your opening range. Read some opening charts. I use upswing poker charts.
j10s at utg in a full ring is pretty loose & very optimistic.

and always top up.

post flop action you show no aggression at all. It's not a good strategy. Specially being at utg.
Upswing poker charts recommend to open J9s UTG. But I don't know if it was for 6max or full ring though.

I'm not really an expert of full ring opening ranges to be honest since I prefer 6max tables. But J10s is probably the best suited connector in Holdem. Don't think it is a big mistake to open with this hand. Calling the 3bet is maybe a bit too loose since you're not deep enough.


As played I don't think you will induce many folds with your bet on the river. Your opponent showed a decent amount of strengh by 3betting preflop and betting on both streets. He also invested a good amount of money too. There are almost no hands he will fold. I would have prefered a raise on the flop though. Calling is fine too because it sucks when he reraises you all in on the flop.
 
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Upswing poker charts recommend to open J9s UTG. But I don't know if it was for 6max or full ring though.

I'm not really an expert of full ring opening ranges to be honest since I prefer 6max tables. But J10s is probably the best suited connector in Holdem. Don't think it is a big mistake to open with this hand. Calling the 3bet is maybe a bit too loose since you're not deep enough.


As played I don't think you will induce many folds with your bet on the river. Your opponent showed a decent amount of strengh by 3betting preflop and betting on both streets. He also invested a good amount of money too. There are almost no hands he will fold. I would have prefered a raise on the flop though. Calling is fine too because it sucks when he reraises you all in on the flop.

I took another look at the charts. J10,j9,109,98 s are all opening ranges. :D
But for 2nl I don't knw. I prefer to be a bit tighter.

But as you said I also prefer the 6max tables. Less variance & not too dangerous early position play.
 
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interesting summary:
pre-flop: wrong position, wrong relative stack, wrong cards
(post)flop: (un)lucky cards resulting in losing
Thnx for the explanation, I need to have a look at opening charts.
 
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JTs is a great hand to call a 3bet with if your deep. When your not it makes things awkward especially when your OOP.

On this flop taking stack size into account, I'd be looking to check raise and get it in. Even if villain has a set you still have around 30% equity and the shove probably fold out hands like AQ and Ax bluffs, gut shots etc.
 
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