$2 NLHE Full Ring: How good are my two pair now?

CistaCista

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Sorry I don't have proper stats, however neither of these villains are known to me as loose or agressive.

pokerstars Hand #79512118594: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - Table 'Clivia' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: cashgame4 ($4.91 in chips)
Seat 2: xXNAILSXx ($0.23 in chips)
Seat 3: Lajcsipapó ($1.37 in chips)
Seat 4: WilsonGreen ($2.45 in chips)
Seat 5: CistaCista ($3.04 in chips)
Seat 6: fizik1975 ($5.46 in chips)
Seat 7: NextLeader ($2.42 in chips)
fizik1975: posts small blind $0.01
NextLeader: posts big blind $0.02
212pokerchan: sits out
NAVI^pro: sits out

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to CistaCista [Qc Js]
cashgame4: folds
xXNAILSXx: calls $0.02
Lajcsipapó: calls $0.02
WilsonGreen: raises $0.02 to $0.04
CistaCista: calls $0.04
fizik1975: folds
NextLeader: calls $0.02
xXNAILSXx: calls $0.02
Lajcsipapó: calls $0.02

*** FLOP (0.21)*** [7s Qd Jc]
NextLeader: checks
xXNAILSXx: checks
Lajcsipapó: bets $0.02
WilsonGreen: raises $0.02 to $0.04
CistaCista: raises $0.22 to $0.26
NextLeader: raises $0.44 to $0.70
xXNAILSXx: folds
Lajcsipapó: folds
WilsonGreen: calls $0.66

Interesting that the flop provokes 4 people to raise right after each other!
I am thinking that from sheer probability, one of these 2 guys may very well have 77 or JJ, but would they have joined the multiway pot preflop without raising, with JJ? Other than 77 or JJ I should have the best hand.

But then what are the hands that make a the first villain raise with so much, and that I can beat? That would be AQ, QJ or J7. J7 is not unrealistic since he only had to call with 0.02 just for the hell of it into a large pot. Or he could be mad and raise with a hand like AJ.

It seems to me there are more hands that I can beat - but there are TWO opponents. What do you think?
 

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CistaCista

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Oops I wrote that that hands that I could beat were AQ, QJ or J7. That should have said Q7 instead of QJ - my own hand hehe.
 
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nobody gives anyone at 2nl credit.

but imo, I think you gotta shove here like 100% of the time for value.
 
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Oh, I just realise now that the first villain (NextLeader) checkraised this flop.... I don't think I even noticed that when I played the hand (multitabling).

Oh that's embarassing.. .
Anyway, what would that normally tell me - that he has slowplayed a monster (QQ?)? Hope someone has something to say about this, other than 2L players are retarded hehe.
 
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we've got QJ, and there's a QJ on board..

that means there 2 Q's and 2 J's already out.. giving him 1 combo of QQ and one combo of JJ.

still with me?

very unlikely he's got QQ/JJ.. if anything he'd have 77 but I still think you have to shove because of all the other potential hands he has in his range that you beat.

2 combos of 77, 1 QQ + 1 JJ < the rest of his range
 
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This is one of the hands where i say to the ppl "Stick to the starting hands chart and raise preflop 4BBs +1 per limper or else you will find yourself in trouble". In a multyway pot and a loose table like this you can easely be second best and be in a situation where to decide if to put your stack on the line without too many chances to improove your hand. Your problem is that you need a full house for the nuts and you also need to shove at this specific moment. A call is out of the question because there are a lot of scary cards that can come on the turn. So it is decide if you shove to protect your 2 pairs or give credit for a set to one of the villans and fold. This is what you can answer us because you did not give us too many informations about your opponents.
I would probabely fold even if it is 2 NL. You've invested 15 BBs. If you have any doubts fold and save the rest of your stack witch is quite big.
 
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Oh, I just realise now that the first villain (NextLeader) checkraised this flop.... I don't think I even noticed that when I played the hand (multitabling).

Oh that's embarassing.. .
Anyway, what would that normally tell me - that he has slowplayed a monster (QQ?)? Hope someone has something to say about this, other than 2L players are retarded hehe.
2NL players are retarded....;)
Seriously though, I would have to push this and shake my head when villian turns over 77
 
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I guess its just my general impression of what guys do at 2nl, but I think you are ahead more than enough. I think you have to get it in here.
 
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"unlikely" he has Queens or Jacks here. If he has, then that's just a cooler. As for sevens, again, it's just a cooler and if that is the case, you still have outs.

I'm more than happy to stick it in here. More than likely you're up agaisnt K,Q/J,K/A,Q/A,J or literallly ANY pair and weak kicker etc as oppsed to sets. This is 2nl and you see some head baffling stuff where people actually do believe 7,6 is GOOD in this spot and you sit there pondering with your top two, surely they can't have a set here after my 5bet and consider folding but realise you can't and then for example they turn over 7,6 "I have bottom pair here, I call your 5bet here and go all-in"

I don't think it's ever profitable to fold in this spot unless you know 100% sure he has a set, which you don't.


Besides which, their names just want me to get these chips in more so, I mean come on "NextLeader" raises and then "Wilsongreen" calls. They have zilch, pair of fish, get your chips and expect to be ahead based on their names. ;)
 
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Just shove it! it's NL2...Just watch out for regs.
 
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Thank you very much for the comments!

Seems I did the right thing for once, I did get my money in and I will make sure to do so again if a similar situation comes with two good pairs.
In this case I won a nice pot against J-something (the raiser) and lower two-pair.
 
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