$2 NLHE Full Ring: How to extract the most out of a nit holding an over pair at the very least, deep?

$2 NLHE Full Ring: How to extract the most out of a nit holding an over pair at the very least, deep?

It's funny, nits are the most interesting and most easiest to read.

I had only 100 or so hands on the guy, but he bought in for maximum which is always great and I'd been involved in several pots prior to him. I always made sure I had position on him and I knew his range was really tight. He had something ridic like 10/7 or something and I'd taken a few pots down vs him in position a few times before. Quite a predictable sort of player, can't let go of top pair good kicker on a wet board etc but could make lay downs if I was overly aggressive.

I'd say for example in the cutoff/button he's only raising a9s+ 10's+ and very tight in earlier positions.

Anyway, this hand cropped up. Again a rather large raise by him and a questionable call by me but with the effective deep stacks with 300/250bb each I knew I could take a vast majority of his chips if he had an over pair, so I elected to call and see a flop.

Anyway, a dream flop or maybe even bad flop in terms of how nitty he was, I guess it's very easy to say he could have A,Kd here and I'd have a tough time getting away from it.

Anyway, he bets into me so at this point I know he has to have an overpair but elected just to call and on the turn when he bets, I repop him just to see what he does. When he flat calls, I'm a bit sceptical but I don't put him on diamonds, I put him on Aces/Kings,A,K (maybe back door flush) "Maybe" a set.. quite certain he doesn't hold diamonds here especially with his check on the river I'm now quite close to 100% sure he has a big over pair at the least.

With this in mind, I sat there wondering and tanked a little while on how to play this hand now as both deep, I'm unsure if he would call a shove on the river here, what do you think? I feel he wants to get to showdown but unsure of how I can extract most value you here. I'm nearly 100% sure I have the best hand yet struggled to know how to play the river here? Maybe it's because I've never played 200/300blinds deep before and usually only 100bblinds deep..

What sort of bet do you think he would call holding Top pair, TK? Or Kings.Aces for example? Do you think he can call a shove? 1/2 pot bet? 3/4 pot bet?



pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($5)
Hero (BB) ($5.91)
UTG ($0.65)
UTG+1 ($2.08)
MP1 ($1.09)
MP2 ($3.36)
MP3 ($2.23)
CO ($1.72)
Button ($1.97)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 10 , 9
4 folds, MP3 calls $0.02, 2 folds, SB bets $0.12, Hero calls $0.10, MP3 calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.36) 7 , 3 , J (3 players)
SB bets $0.24, Hero calls $0.24, 1 fold

Turn: ($0.84) A (2 players)
SB bets $0.56, Hero raises to $1.50, SB calls $0.94

River: ($3.84) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero ??

It's hard to put someone on a flopped flush and any diamond on the turn would be a disaster for you because he's either going to shut down with an overpair or have you beat with the A or K of diamonds. So i'd raise flop to like 65c. As played vb river as much as you think you can get away with (probably like 2.50ish).

go all in.

i like raising flop, if his range is strong then there's plenty of TPTK/NFD/overpairs/overpairs with NFD which he stacks #

if you don't want to raise flop then just jam here

Depending on his c bet stat I call or raise flop. High c bet I call, low c bet I raise although you'd never be that wrong to raise vs this guy everytime on this flop. Actually, givin that we're deep I think Im leaning way more to raising flop to get as much money in there as poss.

Its hard to flop a flush but its even more rare to flop an under flush so dont worry about that.

3bet pre.

I like it as played and so now we bet river

bgomez89 said:

3bet pre.

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Why?

to hopefully take it down preflop?

jbbb said:

It's hard to put someone on a flopped flush and any diamond on the turn would be a disaster for you because he's either going to shut down with an overpair or have you beat with the A or K of diamonds. So i'd raise flop to like 65c. As played vb river as much as you think you can get away with (probably like 2.50ish).

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Yeah I guess now looking at the hand, I should of raised the flop.

baudib1 said:

go all in.

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Pascal LeFiscal said:

i like raising flop, if his range is strong then there's plenty of TPTK/NFD/overpairs/overpairs with NFD which he stacks #

if you don't want to raise flop then just jam here

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I think that was a concern of mine more than anything with not raising the flop. I know the odds on both flopping a Flush is rare but what if he ships on us here with say aces/kings/queens for example, can I call 300 blinds? Most will do this I've noticed with an overpair. Do we call and expect him to have Aces/Kings pair +flush draw or are people stacking with no back door here but an over pair?

I had the theory, if I flat and no diamonds come I will get more of an idea of a hand he could be on and if indeed he had a diamond in his hand which I discounted with his flat call on the turn.. as most will be happy getting it in on the flop right?

brank said:

Depending on his c bet stat I call or raise flop. High c bet I call, low c bet I raise although you'd never be that wrong to raise vs this guy everytime on this flop. Actually, givin that we're deep I think Im leaning way more to raising flop to get as much money in there as poss.

Its hard to flop a flush but its even more rare to flop an under flush so dont worry about that.

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To be honest, I didn't take a look at his c-bet percentages. Yeah I guess everyone is agreeing most on raising the flop.

bgomez89 said:

3bet pre.

I like it as played and so now we bet river

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I was very tempted but I thought with position and his general tight stats, if he ships then I'm folding but if I see a flop like I did here at least I'd of had position, besides which he's never giving me credit for 3betting him PF because I played quite a loose game.

How much you think we bet? This was a problem and I coulden't even think of a right size bet. I had so much going through mind of should I bet to look weak and induce a shove? Do I overbet to look weak or do I value u bet to look strong lol.


Thanks for the replies guys.

you wouldn't have position if MP decided to come along.

River bet around 3

i don't like 3 betting this deep, you've got position on him multiway with a nice hand and you leave yourself plenty of options post flop. plus 3bet folding pretty hands sucks if his range is strong

in my experience he'll stack an overpair without a FD against a flop raise very often, and even if he has OP + FD your still ahead

why would 3bet folding a suited connector suck if his range is strong? If you don't like 3betting this deep when do you like 3betting? When we're short?

because if he 4bets against us we have to fold ,whereas we can flat IP with great implied odds cos when we hit we get paid off a ton

Or we can 3bet in order to:

bluff out better hands and take down the pot there.
Set up stack sizes to help get the money on easier if we hit a nice draw.

bgomez89 said:

Or we can 3bet in order to:

Bluff out better hands and take down the pot there.
Set up stack sizes to help get the money on easier if we hit a nice draw.

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This type of player is predicatable. Firstly he's tight so a lot of his range he's happy to 4bet with because most 2NL players will raise with junky hands he beats. Also you don't really need a small SPR because if you hit a magic flop like this one he'll stack off a lot anyway because he knows most 2NL players are shoving into him with a of hands overpairs beat (Jx). He's pretty much a nit and so by definition players strong hands pre and can't get away from overpairs on the flop even if we are 250BB deep.

Remaining stacks seem to be about a pot size bet? I just ship it in. I like how you played the hand previously by the way as well.

Nits are always scared they're beat so it's hard to say he'd stack off 250bbs deep with just an overpair

bgomez89 said:

Or we can 3bet in order to:

Bluff out better hands and take down the pot there.
Set up stack sizes to help get the money on easier if we hit a nice draw.

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did you even read the OP? and that's obv ok if he flats 3bets a ton but if his raising range is like JJ+, AQs+ then he's 4betting a ton (probably QQ+, AKo+) so we don't get flatted very much

Eh too much to read

good work posting advice without knowing opponent reads, gg very helpful etc

Still dont agree that he pays us off with just an overpair 250bb deep though

it's 2NL not 200NL

I think 3-betting this hand is horrible 99% of the time when we have a perfectly floppable hand and it's especially bad when we're this deep and not going to generate a ton of folds.