$2 NLHE Full Ring: Heads up, A9o preflop, comment on the line taken.

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poker stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players - View hand 1700993
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Hero (BB): $6.15
BTN/SB: $5.27

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB with 9
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A
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BTN/SB raises to $0.06, Hero raises to $0.14, BTN/SB calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.28) 2
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3
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4
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Hero bets $0.16, BTN/SB raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.59

Turn: ($1.78) 5
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Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $1.72, Hero raises to $5.26 all in, BTN/SB calls $2.66 all in

River: ($10.54) 2
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(2 players - 2 are all in)

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Without any stats on the guy, all your doing pre is inflating a pot OOP with a meh hand, if called you won't have a clue how strong/weak villain is and your gonna have to make some shit decisions, make the wrong choice in these shit decision making spots and you turn into a fish.

For example, you make a half pot cbet and then flat a raise.... OOP..... chasing a straight..... on a single tone board! That is a shit spot, where you made a bad decision.

You get lucky and one of your 3 outs come on the turn, but you still dont have anywhere near a nut hand, and if the guy has the ace of hearts your being freerolled.

EDIT: Didnt even notice your playing 2nl, so on top of all that you are 250bb deep with this guy and you get it in on that turn. My advice to you, if a FR table drops below 6 people, leave, if you double and there is someone at your table who has you covered, leave.

I said the same thing yesterday, your at 2nl man, why the hell do people insist on making poker difficult, you can have 10bi days at 2nl without breaking a sweat playing ABC poker!
 
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Pre sucks so bad. Don't 3-bet this, 67s type hand is a far superior hand to 3-bet (although at 2NL I'd advise only 3-betting for value) . Although your pre flop play was apparently greater than your flop play. Snap fold flop raise ainec. Apparently calculating odds isn't your strong point. Even if a non heart 5 comes every single time and villians stacks off with worse every single time you're still pissing money up the wall. Now add in the times you split pot, villian has 66, villian has flush and it goes from bad to worse. I'd suggest once you get over 150 BB you leave tables.
 
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Fold pre.
Don't 3bet light vs full stacked unknowns. My 3bet range here is no more than QQ+/AK.

Check/fold flop. We have no idea how villain plays we're OOP and deep with a crap hand. All Ax could be floating or raising for all we know as will mid pocketpairs so even the tightest range could have everything coming along for the ride.
As played fold to the raise we have the bottom end of a one card straight on a flushed board. We're looking for 3outs which may already be dead to the flush or 56 and will never ever get paid off by worse. All draws weren't made equal and this is the runt of the litter.

Check/fold the turn. I doubt your average 2NL villain is bluffing a flop this wet in a 3bet pot then following it up on the turn. All value hands beat us or split. Checkraising turns our hand into a bluff if you think he's bluffing flat as you beat air. (I hate flatting as well though as I don't think he's bluffing).
 
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Why is 67s a far superior 3bet hand? These kind of things confuse me cause different players advocate different hands to bluff with etc when 3betting from the blinds/IP or whatever.

In my eyes (could easily be wrong) 3betting A9o for a bluff is better than 3betting 67s.

Pros:
- We have blocker value, always a nice benefit when we want a fold
- We can still make a top pair hand which should be the best hand most of the time
- A9o isn't really good enough to call (debateable but for example A7o would probably be a bad call oop HU)

Cons:
-Can be potentially dominated when called and when we hit an A ( as he will call 3bets with stuff like AJ,AQ)


67s:

I just feel hands like this are good enough to call, so 3betting hands that are good enough to call can only ever be for value (This makes sense right) But do we really want to 3bet 67s for value? I mean we can hit flops and take pots down and maybe be disguised, but we are 3betting to get folds right? To me it just doesnt make sense having it as a 3bet bluff hand? What do people think on the matter? Im not 100% comfortable with this kind of theory anyways, but it seems lots of players vary on it anyways... What do you all think?
 
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acky100 said:
Why is 67s a far superior 3bet hand? These kind of things confuse me cause different players advocate different hands to bluff with etc when 3betting from the blinds/IP or whatever.
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I'm usually an advocate of A9o > 67s to 3bet for exactly the reasons you listed. This changes when deep though as were once more looking at high STP ratios and hitting draws can allow us to exert real pressure on our villains by throwing huge bets and raises out to commit them to 200-300bb pots. This is when I have position though and a read on villain. I fold both hands in this spot.
 
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3bet more preflop and fold the flop to the raise. Calling here is massive spew.
 
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Ty guys. As it turned out he had 6c7c. The call was bad, but he was tilting a lot, had lost two buy ins to me previously and was filling up the chat box with swear word, so I thought he was just tilt spewing; which it turns out he was.
 
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No matter how spewy someone becomes you need a hand if your going to call them down over multiple streets. Ace high does not cut it.
 
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acky100 said:
Why is 67s a far superior 3bet hand? These kind of things confuse me cause different players advocate different hands to bluff with etc when 3betting from the blinds/IP or whatever.

In my eyes (could easily be wrong) 3betting A9o for a bluff is better than 3betting 67s.

Pros:
- We have blocker value, always a nice benefit when we want a fold
- We can still make a top pair hand which should be the best hand most of the time
- A9o isn't really good enough to call (debateable but for example A7o would probably be a bad call oop HU)

Cons:
-Can be potentially dominated when called and when we hit an A ( as he will call 3bets with stuff like AJ,AQ)


67s:

I just feel hands like this are good enough to call, so 3betting hands that are good enough to call can only ever be for value (This makes sense right) But do we really want to 3bet 67s for value? I mean we can hit flops and take pots down and maybe be disguised, but we are 3betting to get folds right? To me it just doesnt make sense having it as a 3bet bluff hand? What do people think on the matter? Im not 100% comfortable with this kind of theory anyways, but it seems lots of players vary on it anyways... What do you all think?
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Becuase it's far better to play post-flop. You have a ton of hidden value. You can bet so many board textures. You can pick up good equity with 67s whereas A9o just won't really pick up any equity. Best case scenario pick of an ace and they fold, you can bet A high flops with 67s anyway. I likw fold A9o in this spot and 3-bet 67s. I'm folding both to a brainless villian.
 
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