$2 NLHE Full Ring: good or bad fold pocket queens, ace flops?

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pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP ($6.90)
CO ($1.31)
Hero (Button) ($2.42)
SB ($0.85)
BB ($4.98)
UTG ($2.04)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q
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, Q
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1 fold, MP bets $0.07, CO calls $0.07, Hero raises to $0.28, 2 folds, MP calls $0.21, CO calls $0.21

Flop: ($0.87) 5
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, 3
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, A
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(3 players)
MP bets $0.71, 1 fold, Hero folds

Total pot: $0.87 | Rake: $0.03
 
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near enough pot-sized bet from Villain, and a donk-bet as well. Im folding like you.
 
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yeah, he showed strength pre, then the pot size bet tells me he had AQ>AK
 
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Donking this flop with any ace or set is pretty dumb, AQ is only 5 combos so if you can squarely put him on AK then easy fold, but even fish don't donk TPTK imo, more likely to c/c or c/r and get tricky with you showing strength pre.

Probably a decent fold but it doesn't make sense to me, his lines stupid, any stats?
 
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yeah but at this level you do get a lot of donk bets, with weak Aces
 
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Yeah I mean we don't get any value from anything we beat by shoving and his stacks more than likely going in ott so I can't think of a plan for the rest of the hand either, just levelling myself lol standard fold I guess
 
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OP, do you cbet this flop if checked to btw?
 
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orangepeeleo said:
OP, do you cbet this flop if checked to btw?
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deffo cbetting half pot if he checks here....if he checks and is holding ace rag, he would put me on tptk and more than likely fold....and i dont think he would slow play tptk or rockets....it would be pretty weak for me to check, being that he could hit his rag on the turn then i would be screwed if i called/raised
 
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if he has ace rag he's calling at this level.
 
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Hes not folding ace rag if you cbet, maybe not even folding KK, but he is folding most stuff that you beat, might have to see what others say but I don't cbet this flop, it's dry and there aren't many weaker hands that would call a bet here because of the ace, on the flip side if I was bluffing here then I'd cbet everytime for those reasons, but we have value. There's no chance he folds an ace and puts you on a better kicker, absolutely 0% chance of that happening :)
 
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orangepeeleo said:
Hes not folding ace rag if you cbet, maybe not even folding KK, but he is folding most stuff that you beat, might have to see what others say but I don't cbet this flop, it's dry and there aren't many weaker hands that would call a bet here because of the ace, on the flip side if I was bluffing here then I'd cbet everytime for those reasons, but we have value. There's no chance he folds an ace and puts you on a better kicker, absolutely 0% chance of that happening :)
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depends on how much you cbet though...if you half pot it then he prob calls, but i think if you pot it then he has to fold or he's just donk calling with ax....either way he has me beat here, i need to have the nuts or close to the nuts to beat the fish, because they will not be bluffed unless you oversize the cbet lol....
 
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orangepeeleo said:
Hes not folding ace rag if you cbet, maybe not even folding KK, but he is folding most stuff that you beat, might have to see what others say but I don't cbet this flop, it's dry and there aren't many weaker hands that would call a bet here because of the ace, on the flip side if I was bluffing here then I'd cbet everytime for those reasons, but we have value. There's no chance he folds an ace and puts you on a better kicker, absolutely 0% chance of that happening :)
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Its definitely up for debate, but i Cbet this flop esp at this level just since you insta know youre behind if you get called, they wont be holding an ace nearly as often as you think (and will fold) and if you dont, youre in a really lame spot if flop checks through and they bet the turn
 
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