$2 NLHE Full Ring: Getting mean with queens

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888 Poker - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 9 players
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SB: 99 BB (villain 1)
UTG+1: 155 BB (vill. 2, no stats but has shown down some weak hands in big pots)
Hero (MP): 103 BB


SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, CO posts penalty blind 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.5 BB) Hero has Qd Qh
UTG calls 1 BB, UTG+1 raises to 2 BB, Hero raises to 8 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 7.5 BB, fold, fold, UTG+1 calls 6 BB

Flop : (27 BB, 3 players) Jc 7d Jd
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets 18 BB, SB calls 18 BB, UTG+1 calls 18 BB

Turn : (81 BB, 3 players) 9h
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets 77 BB and is all-in, SB calls 73 BB and is all-in, UTG+1 calls 77 BB
Bet all in because I figured at least the small blind wasn't going anywhere, get money in whilst I'm ahead (these guys are playing half the deck so seems likely I'm ahead). Didn't want to drag it out for 3 streets in a MW pot.
River : (308 BB, 3 players) 9c

Wondering what line other people would have taken on that kinda 'not amazing' turn card. MW pot vs some rec. players. I'll post results later.

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This is a horrible horrible runout for queens lol.

if someone raises small here to 2BB i'd still raise the same amount as 3BB etc.... So i'd be pushing 9-10BB. I want them to play my game not play theirs.

AP Multi way pot. I think 18BB isn't enough on the flop, i'd be betting closer to 3/4 pot size not 2/3 because there is a lot of draws there.

Turn: Well this is the worst runout and we have 2 people in the hand against us and SB will call with something here and UTG+1 will call with a tighter range. I hate giving freecards but I can't see what we are beating here, the only hand I see we beat is TT the rest we are getting crushed.

It's almost like i'm checking here and giving up argh! I hate it but sometimes we got to know when we are beat.
 
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Agreement with @Aces. Next time aim for larger sizing pre and the hand might go totally different.

Just wondering if you are completely ignoring J-card? I hope the reason for that is not because it’s so unlikely multiway when you see two J-cards on the flop, because there are still tens of J-combos left.
 
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Why is 9h considered bad card for us? 99 and 8T improve, but that's about it.
 
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Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 50/25/1

888 Poker - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 9 players
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SB: 99 BB (villain 1)
UTG+1: 155 BB (vill. 2, no stats but has shown down some weak hands in big pots)

I'm assuming Villain 1 is the one that has the 50/25/1 line. So that immediately tells me that they're seeing a lot of flops so their range is quite wide.
Villain 2 (V2), while you have no stats, to me, is not much different than Villain 1 (V1), in that splashing around is going to happen with this player.

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, CO posts penalty blind 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.5 BB) Hero has Qd Qh
UTG calls 1 BB, UTG+1 raises to 2 BB, Hero raises to 8 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 7.5 BB, fold, fold, UTG+1 calls 6 BB

In hindsight, it's easy to say "well maybe you could have raised a little smaller" but given the dynamic of the table, I think your pre-flop sizing is fine. Given that these are micro stakes, people are more inclined to call 16 cents, one of the cons of playing these stakes.

Flop : (27 BB, 3 players) Jc 7d Jd
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets 18 BB, SB calls 18 BB, UTG+1 calls 18 BB

With two checks behind me, I'd probably bet a little smaller, say in the 11-12 bb range here. Given how V1 and V2 played their hands pre, you'll get the exact same information here with that bet sizing, and save yourself 6-7 bb's.

Turn : (81 BB, 3 players) 9h
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets 77 BB and is all-in, SB calls 73 BB and is all-in, UTG+1 calls 77 BB
Bet all in because I figured at least the small blind wasn't going anywhere, get money in whilst I'm ahead (these guys are playing half the deck so seems likely I'm ahead). Didn't want to drag it out for 3 streets in a MW pot.

I feel like you're putting bad money in after bad. V1 and V2 check again on the turn, at this point, I'm giving up on this hand. I had a similar situation happen to me yesterday. Here is the BOOM player hand for your reference.

https://www.boomplayer.com/22131058_D0768BC6B6

I probably could have bet a little smaller on the flop, but based on the flat and then the HUGE check-raise, it was a REAL easy fold for me (yesterday I folded that hand, and Queens on two different occasions to REAL heavy play, and did so feeling REALLY good that my read was right, and live to play another hand. The other two hands didn't get to showdown so I will never know for sure, but you have to sometimes fold what could be the best hand). For what it's worth, I'd have done the exact same thing if I had Aces.

Anyhow, just based on the dynamic of V1 and V2, you DEFINITELY don't have the best hand here enough of the time that giving up on the turn is the right play. That's really all that matters at this point. Even if one of the two players went nuts with AK, you're still not making a profitable play long-term.

Remember, you have to ask yourself what your opponents could possibly be holding given how they played their hands up to the turn, and what do you really beat here?

You're really only beating air here. Underpairs aren't going to take the lines they did with you.

That's the line I'd take. I won't put another penny in this pot after the flop and be VERY comfortable with the result.
 
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Why is 9h considered bad card for us? 99 and 8T improve, but that's about it.


Well both have Jx in their range but if they dont they are drawing flushes on flop and on the turn they will also have straight draws. But lets say we are playing against TT both of them.

there is now a lot of action killers on the river based on that 9 on turn and also more deadly against us

so we are risking our stacks most times and not going to get paid as well..
 
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i dont see what else u could do here really... nh
 
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