$2 NLHE Full Ring: Full house warning signs?

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$2 NLHE Full Ring: Full house warning signs?

Hi all, sorry for my first post being a hand analysis but one if the reasons I've joined this forum is to get help and advice in improving my game. I've just finished a losing micro stakes session and this was one of the hands...

What I want to know is should I have put my opponent on the flush after the insane round of betting on the river? I had him on a set of kings and really couldn't see myself folding my flush.

Maybe I shouldn't have 3bet? Maybe I should have seen it screaming out when the villain went all-in?

pokerstars - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

Hero (UTG+1): 279.5 BB
MP: 197 BB
MP+1: 45.5 BB
CO: 99.5 BB
BTN: 78 BB
SB: 110 BB
BB: 150 BB
UTG: 94.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 6s As
UTG raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop : (7.5 BB, 2 players) Kd Ks Qs
UTG bets 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB

Turn : (13.5 BB, 2 players) 7s
UTG checks, Hero bets 4 BB, UTG calls 4 BB

River : (21.5 BB, 2 players) 8d
UTG bets 15 BB, Hero raises to 35 BB, UTG raises to 84.5 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 49.5 BB

UTG shows Qh Kc (Full House, Kings full of Queens) (Pre 40%, Flop 100%, Turn 100%)
Hero mucks 6s As (Flush, Ace High) (Pre 60%, Flop 0%, Turn 0%)
UTG wins 184 BB

Feedback and advice would be appreciated!
 
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I would put him on 88 on the river but would probably hate folding.

What hand exactly calls your raise here except a full house?
 
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I'd fold PF, you are in way too early position with a marginal hand.
I would raise the flop, as it likely missed the villain.
Bet more on the turn as well, you can get more value than this (and obtain more info on opponent's hand)
On river, unless your opponent is a crazy bad player, he'll only re-raise with full houses. Just call river bet, I dislike the raise, as he's going to fold all bluffs, doesn't have a lot of flushes in his range(you already have As), and it's unlikely he has trip K (since he c-c 3-flush board on turn). Ofc this is assuming opponent is decent, no problem raising if he's shoving with worst flushes or trips.
 
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Hi all, sorry for my first post being a hand analysis but one if the reasons I've joined this forum is to get help and advice in improving my game.

Please don't apologize. This is a great way to participate in this forum. I'd also suggest that you drop in on the Introductions thread and tell us some more about you.
 
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What hand exactly calls your raise here except a full house?

That's a fair point! I see that now, I just need to think more while at the table, thanks!

I'd fold PF, you are in way too early position with a marginal hand.

I wouldn't play this hand every time. I'm just tempted sometimes by A?s, maybe that's a leak in my game!

I would raise the flop, as it likely missed the villain.
Bet more on the turn as well, you can get more value than this (and obtain more info on opponent's hand)
On river, unless your opponent is a crazy bad player, he'll only re-raise with full houses. Just call river bet, I dislike the raise, as he's going to fold all bluffs, doesn't have a lot of flushes in his range(you already have As), and it's unlikely he has trip K (since he c-c 3-flush board on turn). Ofc this is assuming opponent is decent, no problem raising if he's shoving with worst flushes or trips.

Thanks for the rest of your advice! The call would probably have been better looking back, I could never see myself folding.

Please don't apologize. This is a great way to participate in this forum. I'd also suggest that you drop in on the Introductions thread and tell us some more about you.

I'll do that now!
 
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I would be folding pre flop, I can understand your thinking in playing suited Ax to try to overflush your opponent, the issue comes in when you get squeezed by the button or big blind, can you really call off another 10 or so bb with A6? Or even if you see a flop and it comes "Ace rag rag" are you flat calling a c-bet or raise folding? It's really tough.

Your call on the flop is fine getting 3-1, villain is betting any K any Q and a whole bunch of pairs that aren't going anywhere if you make your flush.

On the turn I believe that the villain really narrows his own range by checking, it screams middle pocket pair or draws to me. I would be making the bet much bigger, I've found that at these stakes people aren't very aware of bet sizing. If they are going to fold they will fold for a 3bb bet or a 10bb bet, and likewise if they will continue, so naturally if the middle pairs will continue then they will continue for 10bb regardless. If they were to fold they would have folded to 4bb anyway so it doesn't matter. Always go for value.

On the river villain completely polarises his range to monsters and air, villain is rarely if ever leading at this river with a random pocket pair, which is what we believed his range consisted of on the turn. so when we remove those hands from his range we are left with 88, 77, K8, K7, KQ and air, like missed gut shots like AJ A10 etc. when you raise you are folding out all of villains air and they are only continuing with the monsters. I would flat call villains river bet.

TLDR: Fold preflop. Call flop. Bet 10bb on turn. Flat call river bet.
 
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I will contribute a little bit.


I don't even think there is any point though as others have said what I will say. Nonetheless, here is my input....


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A-6s is not a hand we should be playing UTG +1 in a FR game. Fold PF. Edit: Even if you have position on the raiser.

#2
If you happen to make a flush on a paired board, you are in dangerous territory. It is possible for someone to have a FH.

#3
Raising on the river is asking for trouble.

#4
When you get reraised on the river, it is never going to be a hand your flush is beating.



In closing, one bad decision PF mushrooms into a total debacle.

In FR, at these stakes especially, we should be playing very tight from EP. And players at these stakes do not generally reraise rivers without being nutted.



That is all.
 
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Lol when theur is a raise pf board is k k a a 2 and someone shoves ai LOL

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Okay, thanks a lot folks!

I think the main lesson learnt here is to be much tighter at this level full ring. I guess that was always going to be part of my transition from Sky Poker, where the tables are all 6-max.

I also need to bet more for value (on the turn) and find the call on the river in situations like this (even though I should have folded PF). Your post really helped with that, Wardy, so thanks!

Cheers everyone :)
 
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I have a tell on my opponents... whenever the board pairs when i hit my nut flush, they have a full house :p
 
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