$2 NLHE Full Ring: Folding a set of 10s at the micros?

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888 Poker $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 2182277
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CO: $2.00
BTN: $0.34
SB: $1.72
Hero (BB): $4.04
UTG: $2.00
UTG+1: $2.43
UTG+2: $4.94
MP1: $2.13
MP2: $3.83

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB with :10h4: :10d4:
3 folds, MP1 calls $0.02, 1 fold, CO calls $0.02, 1 fold, SB calls $0.01, Hero raises to $0.10, MP1 calls $0.08, 1 fold, SB calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.32) :ad4: :9s4: :10s4: (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.24, MP1 calls $0.24, SB calls $0.24

Turn: ($1.04) :js4: (3 players)
SB bets $0.80, Hero calls $0.80, MP1 calls $0.80

River: ($3.44) :5d4: (3 players)
SB bets $0.58 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.58, MP1 raises to $0.99, Hero calls $0.41

With the straight and flush possibilities out there, should I have folded on the turn? It feels a bit weird that the SB chose to lead on the turn when that scare card came but folding a set usually isn't a good idea is it?

What about my raise pre-flop? Was that just needlessly getting money in OOP?
 
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No raise Pf was good, isolate fish, however make it 3x +1x for every limper and 1x for being OOP, so you're raise pf should have been $0.14 etleast.

On the turn it's a fold, when he donks out into two people he either has the flush/straight.
 
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On the turn, you probably should fold unless you're pretty sure he's doing this with something other that the straight or the flush. That said, I don't think your call is "that" bad. It's probably very close.

If he's only betting the straight or the flush, you have less than 23% equity. You are risking $0.80 to win $2.42 (the current pot plus his remaining $0.58). You are being offered 3:1 [implied] odds (2.3:1 pot odds), which makes a call logical if you think you have 25% (30.3% if he check-folds a paired river) equity or better. We can't, at this point, assume that MP1 will also call.

If we know MP1 will also call, we only need about 23% equity to call, which makes it close. And we could make more, if we can get one or both of them all-in on a paired river. If we're up against a straight-flush, we're in really bad shape and could risk losing when we hit.

The wider their betting range here, the more correct your call become. If they're betting As-Jx (or something like that), your equity goes up.

Anyway, I don't think the turn call is great. It's not horrible either. My biggest problem with the turn call is that we still have a person behind us who can raise. I would be more comfortable with the call if we were last to act. It's close. I would like the stacks to be a bit deeper, but they're just about right to make the call break-even. Then again, if it's break-even, folding is also right.

On the river, we missed. Fold. I can't figure out why you call here. And, then there is a raise, and you call again? Don't throw good money after bad.
 
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Hand looks fine, I size preflop and the flop bigger.
Turn is a call as villain is so short stacked this isn't always a flush and in the likely scenario it is we have 10outs.

River is a call in both cases, we're losing most the time but both calls laid us amazing odds cba working it out but we probably need to win <15% of the time for the initial call and around 8% of the time for the second call.
 
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Hand looks fine, I size preflop and the flop bigger.
Turn is a call as villain is so short stacked this isn't always a flush and in the likely scenario it is we have 10outs.

River is a call in both cases, we're losing most the time but both calls laid us amazing odds cba working it out but we probably need to win <15% of the time for the initial call and around 8% of the time for the second call.

Villain had 69xbb on the turn and started the hand with 86xbb, not exactly super-short stacks. Not that I disagree with the call. I am just not sure about the weakness of his range though. Also, without other reads, I assume most 2NL players are generally passive unless/until they hit. So, I give a bet from them more credit for being a stronger hand than I might bet.

It doesn't take much, if they are betting things other than a straight or the flush, to make this a profitable call. So, I still like the turn call.

I get 12.6% for the first call and 6.8% for the second. Yeah, those are pretty good odds. I don't think they're betting worse hands that often, but it doesn't take many times for me to be wrong to make the calls profitable.
 
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Thread de-rail....

Hey Menschlich,
How do you set handconverter.com to output the card icons?
Or is that a CC setting?
 
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It is a part of the forum.

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