$2 NLHE Full Ring: fold AK to short stack shove?

AlfieAA

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villians stats were 24/10/0 30 hands.....was i right to fold here?

pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP2 ($0.70)
CO ($2.01)
Button ($3.06)
Hero (SB) ($2.74)
BB ($2)
UTG ($2.12)
UTG+1 ($1.41)
MP1 ($0.26)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K
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3 folds, MP2 bets $0.70 (All-In), 4 folds

Total pot: $0.05 | Rake: $0
 
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Personally I call off pre jams with AK. Some dont like it as majority of the time its pp and are flipping but thats when villains are 100b deep, here, especially when villain is only 30-40bb deep, its a snap call.
Were completely dominating his entire range.

Yeh, let me just add, we should re-shove, as we dont want a flat from the bb or anything, just isolate fish....
 
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Ye should be calling if not reshoving (which i prefer here) you should be flipping at worst most of the time
 
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I would have called for sure. Just my $0.02
 
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No, wrog for sure, clear call...
 
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Calling everytime. Also just calling everytime.
 
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acky100 said:
Calling everytime. Also just calling everytime.
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Why just the call? Is it because your re-shove will only get called by QQ+? Or to try and get value from another player?

Seems a bit greedy
 
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The Messiah said:
Personally I call off pre jams with AK. Some dont like it as majority of the time its pp and are flipping but thats when villains are 100b deep, here, especially when villain is only 30-40bb deep, its a snap call.
Were completely dominating his entire range.

Yeh, let me just add, we should re-shove, as we dont want a flat from the bb or anything, just isolate fish....
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yeah thats true, should have snapped called, like you say he was only 35bb deep and it wouldnt have done much damage if i lost the flip....but its such a poor play on the villians behalf, if he did have a big pp why shove like that....

when you say re-shove, do you mean me go all in or just put a pot size bet out?
 
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Ducky7 said:
Ye should be calling if not reshoving (which i prefer here) you should be flipping at worst most of the time
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thanks ducky i will know in future :)
 
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Gotta get that money in there for this one... ill take a flip for the villians 35bb everytime.. but id def try to isolate him cuz im sure more at the table would be willing to gamble for the cheap...
 
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domeburglar said:
Gotta get that money in there for this one... ill take a flip for the villians 35bb everytime.. but id def try to isolate him cuz im sure more at the table would be willing to gamble for the cheap...
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yup that seems the general consensus among the guys on here, cheers dude
 
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AlfieAA said:
yeah thats true, should have snapped called, like you say he was only 35bb deep and it wouldnt have done much damage if i lost the flip....but its such a poor play on the villians behalf, if he did have a big pp why shove like that....

when you say re-shove, do you mean me go all in or just put a pot size bet out?
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Re-raise all-in. :)

Edit: i saw thread title, first thought that came to my mind was snap call/shove.
 
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youregoodmate said:
Why just the call? Is it because your re-shove will only get called by QQ+? Or to try and get value from another player?

Seems a bit greedy
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Don't think its got anything to do with being greedy. I just call because that's what i would do with AA,KK even 88 or 99, so when i call i can have all these good hands, its kind of a balance thing which obviously doesnt matter at 2nl because if i ship here with AK its the only hand i ship with ( i'd call 88 and 99 planning to fold to raises off some guys, but not wanting to fold pre cause i think its such a way ahead spot of the shorties range, so shoving would suck) Shoving with AA and KK obviously sucks. And when i flat with AK here im never folding, i dont care what the flop comes down as really if i get called because the SPR will be so low and i think flatting in such whale infested games is going to even open up "regs" to shoving over with AQ sometimes or TT which wouldnt be bad 3 way where they might otherwise fold. I mean its not super important but it is when you play higher games, both are going to be really +EV i just think there is more value flatting your whole continuing range for reasons above.

basically, flatting lets me keep their ranges wider and lets them make more mistakes.
 
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acky100 said:
Don't think its got anything to do with being greedy. I just call because that's what i would do with AA,KK even 88 or 99, so when i call i can have all these good hands, its kind of a balance thing which obviously doesnt matter at 2nl because if i ship here with AK its the only hand i ship with ( i'd call 88 and 99 planning to fold to raises off some guys, but not wanting to fold pre cause i think its such a way ahead spot of the shorties range, so shoving would suck) Shoving with AA and KK obviously sucks. And when i flat with AK here im never folding, i dont care what the flop comes down as really if i get called because the SPR will be so low and i think flatting in such whale infested games is going to even open up "regs" to shoving over with AQ sometimes or TT which wouldnt be bad 3 way where they might otherwise fold. I mean its not super important but it is when you play higher games, both are going to be really +EV i just think there is more value flatting your whole continuing range for reasons above.

basically, flatting lets me keep their ranges wider and lets them make more mistakes.
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Okay got it, thanks for the explanation.
 
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Snap reshove...ask yourself how often he would just open shove with AA or KK...then how often with QQ JJ AQss 10 10....Etc.

Plug it into pokerstove and you'll end up a clear favorite over his range...not to mention a small overlay or whatever plus misclick equity, lol.
 
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Only one guy left behind you. Bit donkish looking shortstack shoves and I have AK. I am always shoving here.
 
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INSTAshove :) never flding AK in that spot. 30 hands is too few hands to consider his pfr 0 as a threat in this spot.
 
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