$2 NLHE Full Ring: Flopped Quads - How to get max value?

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Just wondering how to get max value in a situation like this. How could I have played this differently to get more money out of this dude?


Seat 8: suicidal79 (3.78 in chips)
Seat 6: nogutz (1.28 in chips)
Seat 5: lucky27 (1.40 in chips) - Sitting out
Seat 4: stankmonk (2.19 in chips) - Big Blind
Seat 2: decryptme (7.49 in chips) - The button
Seat 3: atlanta0 (1.10 in chips) - Small Blind
Seat 1: JUXEM (2.25 in chips)
Seat 0: SamCg (1.28 in chips)
Seat 9: dwd123 (4.35 in chips)
Seat 7: dab (2.90 in chips)
atlanta0: posts small blind 0.01
stankmonk: posts big blind 0.02

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to atlanta0 [7h 7c]
nogutz: folds
dab: folds
suicidal79: calls 0.02
dwd123: calls 0.02
SamCg: folds
juxem said "really hate this one"
JUXEM: folds
decryptme: folds
atlanta0: raises 0.08 to 0.09
stankmonk: folds
suicidal79: calls 0.07
dwd123: folds

*** FLOP *** [7s 7d 9h]
atlanta0: checks
suicidal79: checks

*** TURN *** [7s 7d 9h][4d]
atlanta0: checks
suicidal79: bets 0.02
atlanta0: raises 0.12 to 0.12
suicidal79: folds
Uncalled bet (0.10) returned to atlanta0
atlanta0 shows 7h 7c

*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 0.25 | Rake 0.01
Board [7s 7d 9h 4d]
Seat 8: suicidal79 folded on the Turn
Seat 6: nogutz folded before Flop
Seat 4: stankmonk folded before Flop
Seat 2: decryptme folded before Flop
Seat 3: atlanta0 showed [7h 7c] and won (0.25)
Seat 1: JUXEM folded before Flop
Seat 0: SamCg folded before Flop
Seat 9: dwd123 folded before Flop
Seat 7: dab folded before Flop
 
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depends a bit how the villain plays, but i would just call the flop bet. you aren't worried about any draws or pretty much anything that the villain can hit. give him a cheap turn and hopefully he hits something he likes.

it is hard to get a lot of value from these kind of boards because it is rare that the villains hits them at all (only pp and 4s have anything, and they would all be wary of reraises save for 44, and probably AA and KK.) so don't try to get a huge pot early because you simply can't drag people there most of the time.
 
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Well you know already this is a terrible flop for your opponent - as in the odds of him connecting with any of it are very remote (since you have gobbled up 2/3 of it). If he doesn't have a 9 he's out of the hand. So you have to let him catch up - which you gave him that opportunity by checking the flop. If you ranged him pre flop you have him on a small pair to Ax since he couldn't lay his hand down to your raise (which was a good play on your part). So up till then you are doing it right.

You kind of messed up on the turn. A brick hits and your opponent, hoping you have none of this board, throws in a chip check hoping you will go away. After all the flop was paired and the turn was a brick so the odds of you getting any of that is also remote. But you check raise him 6x his bet. Why? He certainly had not improved his hand. Did you really expect him to call, or to even shove?
I am thinking you lost all thought of your opponent because you hit quads and knew you had the nuts and jumped in with both feet - scaring the hell out of your opponent. He took a stab at a small bluff bet and instead of calling and letting him do it on the turn you ran him out of the hand. You lost your patience. Your only real hope of making this hand a big score was for him to hit his A on the river (or whatever he might have), but you did not give him that opportunity.
This is not to say there could have been another brick on the river and you would still miss out on a big pot. It might mean max value is only 02 more cents - but you removed any possibility of getting more by trying to pluck your peach before it was ripe.

So you should have flatted the turn to get an opportunity to get a little or hopefully a lot more.
 
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MediaBLITZ said:
Well you know already this is a terrible flop for your opponent - as in the odds of him connecting with any of it are very remote (since you have gobbled up 2/3 of it). If he doesn't have a 9 he's out of the hand. So you have to let him catch up - which you gave him that opportunity by checking the flop. If you ranged him pre flop you have him on a small pair to Ax since he couldn't lay his hand down to your raise (which was a good play on your part). So up till then you are doing it right.

You kind of messed up on the turn. A brick hits and your opponent, hoping you have none of this board, throws in a chip check hoping you will go away. After all the flop was paired and the turn was a brick so the odds of you getting any of that is also remote. But you check raise him 6x his bet. Why? He certainly had not improved his hand. Did you really expect him to call, or to even shove?
I am thinking you lost all thought of your opponent because you hit quads and knew you had the nuts and jumped in with both feet - scaring the hell out of your opponent. He took a stab at a small bluff bet and instead of calling and letting him do it on the turn you ran him out of the hand. You lost your patience. Your only real hope of making this hand a big score was for him to hit his A on the river (or whatever he might have), but you did not give him that opportunity.
This is not to say there could have been another brick on the river and you would still miss out on a big pot. It might mean max value is only 02 more cents - but you removed any possibility of getting more by trying to pluck your peach before it was ripe.

So you should have flatted the turn to get an opportunity to get a little or hopefully a lot more.
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Thanks, this is the type of post I was hoping would be made on this thread. Everything you said is true.

From now on I'll be more patient and let my opponent catch up all the way to the river before I try to get more value.
 
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atlantafalcons0 said:
Thanks, this is the type of post I was hoping would be made on this thread. Everything you said is true.

From now on I'll be more patient and let my opponent catch up all the way to the river before I try to get more value.
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Yeah, that's about all you can do on your end. Still have to get lucky that your opponent actually hits something and the reality is the odds are against that. It's kind of like shoving that flush draw on the flop and hoping to hit it - most of the time you won't, but when you do it's a beautiful thing.

I actually just had this hand last Friday, except with kings. I got lucky on the river when my opponent hit and wanted to stack off. I did check the flop and the turn - but my image was pretty passive too so that helped a bit.

Which brings up a point - be sure you do things within your table image. If you always c-bet the flop with nothing, then you have to do it with quads too - stuff like that.
 
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The main error in this hand is you are only sitting with just over half a stack. if he had hit enough to stack off you are missing out on 40bb profit and overtime this
adds up massively.
Quads must be slow played to let them catch up and save your big betting for the river. it's all been well explained above.
 
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Bet the flop so that your play mode will not be to suspecious
 
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checking raising is not the right play in any street as it is unlikely the villain has that strong a hand to continue given his limp pre flop. If you have been playing aggressively and loosly prior to this it might be a different story
 
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flat his turn bet and hope he makes a big river bet or calls yours.
 
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