$2 NLHE Full Ring: Flopped nut flush, badbeat or bad play

DrazaFFT

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Button is at seat 5
Seat 1: TinyTimm23 - $1.90
Seat 2: JIenin - $2.04
Seat 3: psychoflush - $0.76
Seat 4: waakaaw - $2.03
Seat 5: DrazaFFT - $5.72
Seat 6: BroScienceBro - $0.92
Seat 7: GVcH1985 - $3.21
Seat 8: lubomancho - $1.98
Seat 9: Pechenyuk - $2.52
Seat 10: azordaudi - $2
Moving Button to seat 6
GVcH1985 posts small blind ($0.01)
lubomancho posts big blind ($0.02)
Dealing :5h4: :ah4: to DrazaFFT
Pechenyuk folds
azordaudi folds
TinyTimm23 folds
JIenin folds
psychoflush folds
waakaaw raises to $0.04
DrazaFFT raises to $0.08
BroScienceBro folds
GVcH1985 calls $0.08
lubomancho folds
waakaaw calls $0.08
Pot sizes: $0.26
Dealing Flop :10h4: :7h4: :4h4:
GVcH1985 bets $0.13
waakaaw calls $0.13
DrazaFFT raises to $5.64 (all-in)
GVcH1985 calls $3.13 (all-in)
waakaaw folds
Returning $2.51 to DrazaFFT uncalled
Pot sizes: $6.65
DrazaFFT shows :5h4: :ah4:
GVcH1985 shows :10d4: :10s4:
Dealing Turn :8d4:
Pot sizes: $6.65
Dealing River :8c4:
Pot sizes: $6.65
Taking Rake of $0.66 from pot 1
DrazaFFT has Flush, Ace high
GVcH1985 has Full House, Tens over 8s
GVcH1985 wins $5.99 with: Full House, Tens over 8s
 
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After hand ended i was sure that it was a just badbeat but after putting the hand in odds calculator i saw that i was just 2:1 favorite so i wonder have i played it bad and was his call justified

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So villain min raises... and you min 3-bet preflop. You do have position, but you have A-5 dude...


So I don't like play preflop.



Post flop you got it in with the best of it..... not much you can do there...



Why did you just ship all in post flop? That was like a gross over bet. Did you want to get any value? You fold out most ranges except for things like sets.


Still a cooler. But I think hand was played pretty badly overall.



This is just my opinion. Hopefully some of the more experienced members chime in with better advice.
 
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Wouldn't say I'm more experianced at handling this but am a winning player at micro cash. Pre flop - younre in CO, if you want to mess around with A5 which I do not recommend then at least put some pressure on the guy and represent a decent hand rather than the rags you have, raise it to .12 or.15, or simply fold pre,

Nice flop for you, seeing as at this point you have the virtual nuts, no other player can possibly have a better hand than you. So getting the most value from your best hand is key here. You have two options here, either raise it to .45 ish and hope one of the these opponent's plays along, or flat and try to trap someone to take there whole stack. By shoving here you are losing almost all value from any Q10,J10, middle pair, flush draw etc.

OK you managed to get a call which won't happen very often with the way you played it. You are ahead and a favourite to win, so you got it in good and therefore although it is nasty these things happen in poker. So overall you had a bad beat and you played it badly

Sorry for awful grammer, on a tablet and I cannot be bothered to fix it.
 
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Thanks for the reply guys, i really have problem with getting the value from my good hands and it is not just with draws, it happens to me with overpair to the board etc... anyway the more i watch this hand the less logic i can find in play i played, ill do my best to preflop play not happen again and ill try to value bet flop and later streets, who knows he might fold to turn bet and all this wouldn't happen but i guess there is no place to what ifs in poker, ill try to get the most of this and improve...
 
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well its funny because you did play it wrong, but it isn't because you lost. When you donkshoved your hand for a bajillion big blinds relative to the previous betting action and pot size, your only getting called by sets and smaller flushes. That's actually good, you WANT that action as a 2:1 favorite. Being a 2:1 favorite in a poker hand is a very good thing, you want to be in that spot. You were lucky to get called, you should have reraised to accurately assess your opponents hand. You can control the size of the pot this way and if your opponent decides to jam it for 800% of the pot when the board pairs you can reassess things. Whoever ended up winning is totally irrelevant, you got the right result (action from a inferior hand) but you didn't really play good, at all
 
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also poker 101: suited aces suck and should never be overplayed. The preflop min raise makes no sense at all, what are you trying to accomplish? If you want to be a winning player and move up stakes you should be snap folding A5 suited out of position in a pot THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN OPENED. Raising in late position with this hand is OKAY, but calling a raise with A5? What happens when the flop comes A82 and your opponent has AK? You need to think about the REVERSE IMPLIED ODDS of playing a hand like A5, because a lot of the time you'll call multiple streets with top pair no kicker only to get shown a bigger ace.
 
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Thanks for the useful tips Karozi good point about small aces, the sad part is that i know that when i talk and post about playing them but when im at the table it just seems like it is to hard for me to fold them and when flop comes like you said i just don't believe that there is a stronger ace and im spewing money...
 
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Well the outs he has to hit his full house is pretty high but you flopped the nuts I would just consider this a cooler and move on about your day.
 
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Don't worry about the result you got it in good. You seem to have grasped the error preflop, try to examine what you were thinking preflop. Sometimes on auto pilot I do something like this hoping that if its raised a little bit then the blinds don't get free cards and you will be in position. It is flawed thinking as we neither price out marginal holdings behind us or define our hand against the original min raiser. You were lucky that the sb didn't reraise here, he most likely was confused by the betting so just called. If you can see a flop with A5 suited cheaply all well and good but with three still to act behind you and its full ring then in the absence of specific reads I think most would agree it is better folded or 3 bet to isolate as part of a 3bet quasi range
 
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