$2 NLHE Full Ring: Flop set on dangerous board

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Ive been closing tables, played a few hundred hands breakeven, Ive got sit out next big blind checked and get a pair of fours, mostly I think I fold here and cannot imagine raising. Id be interested to know if its a clear fold, or whether a raise is better than a call pre.


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MP2: $3.01
Hero (CO): $1.94
BTN: $0.75
SB: $1.49
BB: $5.05
UTG: $0.05
UTG+1: $1.10
MP1: $5.13

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is CO with 4 4
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.02, Hero calls $0.02, 1 fold, SB calls $0.01, BB checks

Flop: ($0.08) A 4 Q (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.06, MP2 folds, Hero ?

Great, I get a set, but on a board which to me has both good and bad news.At first I think, I should raise, but just lost a pot with KK to AA which I will post to see if I played that badly, so im leaning towards keep the pot small he's less likely to win than I at this point. Evaluate again on the turn.
 
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1) Raise pre unless the limper is a station postflop.
2) The flop is not dangerous.
3) Raise big, its not close. $0.45 seems good. We want to get all in against AX by the river, and charge draws the maximum.
 
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I'll have to agree with raising pre-flop, sure it's a small pair but if you hit your set, as you did here, it is completely unsuspecting.
What is scary about the flop? the only thing you have to worry about with this flop is if one of the limpers are trying to get sneaky with AA/QQ which is unlikely and you have 2 pair dominated, the only move you have here is to raise big and make them pay for their draws.
 
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Have auto top up on as well.
 
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Start with 100bb. Raise pre. Raise flop.
 
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Great stuff. I had been searching on stars in the little box of chips at the table for auto topup, and have now found it in the lobby. Never again will I have less than 100bb.
This is the first hand I have posted properly and you guys have been less harsh than I imagined. Lets see how we fare after the turn and river. I chose this hand because I thought I made a few mistakes. Possibly one for every street.
Two of you advocate raising here, something id rather have 88+ here im guessing. Lets suppose the flop came Ad Qd 3s. Are we done or do we cbet ?

Anyway on with the hand.

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MP2: $3.01
Hero (CO): $1.94
BTN: $0.75
SB: $1.49
BB: $5.05
UTG: $0.05
UTG+1: $1.10
MP1: $5.13

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is CO with 4 :club: 4 :heart:
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.02, Hero calls $0.02, 1 fold, SB calls $0.01, BB checks

Flop: ($0.08) A :diamond: 4 :spade: Q :diamond: (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.06, MP2 folds, Hero calls $0.06, SB folds

Turn: ($0.20) 3 :diamond: (2 players)
BB bets $0.14, Hero calls $0.14

I was hoping for a non diamond card on the turn and here it comes. Its a 2/3 pot bet where I guess now Im only left hoping he doesnt have the flush, or the board pairs. 10 outs? Is the call wrong now?
 
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This is why you really should have raised flop so you have a better idea of where you are and can take control of the hand. As played, I'd just flat here and see what he does on the river.
 
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but just lost a pot with KK to AA which I will post to see if I played that badly, so im leaning towards keep the pot small he's less likely to win than I at this point. Evaluate again on the turn.

That should have no effect on your actions after that hand, it literally doesnt mean a thing, and if its making you play all passive like not raising the flop here then its a massive leak, each hand is just that, an individual hand, and should be treated as such.

Why are you trying to keep the pot small on that flop, you should be trying to pummel as much money as you poss can in there, your a 70% fav vs a FD and obv bigger against any Ax or even AQ, just get the money in as quickly as the villain will let you.

As played, raise/fold the turn, if we bump it up and he comes over the top then I dont like our chances, but your still getting value from any Khx hand if we raise here.

If the board comes AQ3ss then I dont like cbet, boards pretty wet and loads is gonna come along, if it was A73ss then its different though I think and i'd prob be cbetting there (possibly not the right idea lol)
 
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Raise pre to 20c
As played raise the flop to 25c.

Your not going to stack him when you hit your set by just limping all and flatting all the time.
 
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Originally Posted by twoturntablez
but just lost a pot with KK to AA which I will post to see if I played that badly, so im leaning towards keep the pot small he's less likely to win than I at this point. Evaluate again on the turn.
That should have no effect on your actions after that hand, it literally doesnt mean a thing, and if its making you play all passive like not raising the flop here then its a massive leak, each hand is just that, an individual hand, and should be treated as such.

Agreed, I guess I was playing a little scared.

So my first question was whether I should have even been in this hand, I see that its ok but I should probably have raised.
I should definitely have raised the flop to charge the draw / get value from Ax.

Deco. Raise to 20c! OMG i think I need to go back to school. Generally my opening raises are between 8 and 16c I dont often raise AA/KK to 20c!

Whilst thinking this over Im guessing the reasoning for 20c is..... Picking up the blinds is a good result. Im not going to get called so often with 20c PFR. When I have a good hand and make it 20c, im going to get a call after people realise thats my default PFR? mmmmm.

Heres the rest of the hand, a rare occasion that I get a suckout. River comes in and Im no longer worried about the flush, a quick scan says Im not behind a bigger full house AA no, QQ no, AQ not likely and then I get all scared again, will he fold if I jam it in here? So I make it 80c I didnt really think it through too well, I just thought value bet, he shouldnt fold unless hes bluffing.

My question here is should I have just whacked the whole lot in?

MP2: $3.01
Hero (CO): $1.94
BTN: $0.75
SB: $1.49
BB: $5.05
UTG: $0.05
UTG+1: $1.10
MP1: $5.13

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is CO with 4 :club: 4 :heart:
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.02, Hero calls $0.02, 1 fold, SB calls $0.01, BB checks

Flop: ($0.08) A :diamond: 4 :spade: Q :diamond: (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.06, MP2 folds, Hero calls $0.06, SB folds

Turn: ($0.20) 3 :diamond: (2 players)
BB bets $0.14, Hero calls $0.14

River: ($0.48) Q :spade: (2 players)
BB bets $0.30, Hero raises to $0.80, BB raises to $2.44, Hero calls $0.92 all in
 
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Deco. Raise to 20c! OMG i think I need to go back to school. Generally my opening raises are between 8 and 16c I dont often raise AA/KK to 20c!

Ignore me I seem to misread posts alot lately. Thought you where playing 4NL.
 
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First. Raise preflop. 4BB+1 per limper. Standard play. Than reraise. What the hell were you waiting for? Absolute nuts?
 
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First. Raise preflop. 4BB+1 per limper. Standard play. Than reraise. What the hell were you waiting for? Absolute nuts?

This - but 3BB+1 per limper

Just bet the whole way
 
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4bb+1 at 2nl..

raise flop, bet turn, jam river.. easy game!
 
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That flop is great, cos aces (and probably queens) and diamond draws are calling. Start shoveling the money in now!

The main problem with playing it so passively is that if a diamond turns it will at best kill your action (vs Ax/Qx hands) and at worst give him the best hand. You are ahead like ALWAYS on that flop, so start getting the money in.
 
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Raise preflop. As played make a big raise on the flop, at least pot size.
 
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Ok so it should have gone a bit more like this? (with the similar possible draw) And after the flop raise was called I could have just pushed?

Also, Im never raising pre, only calling for a set?

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UTG: $2.08
UTG+1: $2.03
MP1: $2.09
MP2: $1.36
CO: $1.20
Hero (BTN): $2.06
SB: $6.94
BB: $0.94

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with 4 4
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.06, 2 folds, CO calls $0.06, Hero calls $0.06, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.21) 6 4 5 (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, CO bets $0.10, Hero raises to $0.44, UTG+1 folds, CO calls $0.34

Turn: ($1.09) T (2 players)
CO bets $0.70 all in, Hero calls $0.70

River: ($2.49) 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $2.49
CO shows 9 A (a pair of Sixes)
Hero shows 4 4 (a full house, Fours full of Sixes)
Hero wins $2.40
(Rake: $0.09)
 
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