$2 NLHE Full Ring: Flop betting with open ended straight draw in limped pot

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UTG: $1.66
UTG+1: $1.36
MP1: $3.57
MP2: $0.88
CO: $1.56
BTN: $0.75
Hero (SB): $2.16
BB: $2.00

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is SB with 2 5
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.02, 3 folds, BTN calls $0.02, Hero calls $0.01, BB checks

Flop: ($0.08) Q 4 3 (4 players)
Hero bets $0.08, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, BTN calls $0.08

Turn: ($0.24) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.23, BTN raises to $0.65 all in, Hero calls $0.42

River: ($1.54) A (2 players - 1 is all in)

I opened with a bet to take initiative even though I only have a draw in the hand. I figured if I don't bet, someone else will and besides maybe everybody folds :D

1. Good or bad idea?
2. On the turn, I have a lot of outs (straight, flush, straight flush :D) so this is easy call? Villain is 22 / 9 / 0.8 but as he is short stacked the pot probably looks really juicy to him and is worth a shot.
 
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Nice hand, well played.

Although I maybe c/c the flop instead.
 
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Yes I am not sure which is best... I do have some fold equity here and initiative is always nice.

1st time I actually hit a straight flush if I don't count tournaments :D yey me!
 
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I think you're losing money here by completing in the small blind
 
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Possibly (I am sure on higher levels this is a bad move, but on my level it is not 100% clear yet). I plan to analyze all positions next weekend and see what adjustments need to be made.

SB is my worst position right now (in fact the only negative one) but that is mostly due to some horrific and consecutive bad beats (2 pairs vs. full house, set vs. set, 2 pairs vs. slowplayed set of Kings etc., some rivers etc.).

In general I had some really great scores with SB limps since the hands I have there are completely out of whack with my normal stuff and also there is the strategic aspect of showing people I play garbage hands sometimes. Nobody pays much attention from where exactly I do that.
 
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fold pre? lol i'm Deco! :D

but seriously fold pre, we're losing money here limping in.

bet flop, bet/call turn.. c/j turn is kinda meh but I don't think we ever have any FE.. just when he checks back we get free rivers.

we got like 30% against Qxish stuff right?

edit: there's a reason you lose the most from SB.. you're OOP to the whole table. no-one is paying attention to you limping garbage hands and they most deifinitely aren't adjusting at 2nl dude.

we need to fold shit like this because we lose more compared to when we flop big.. + when we flop big in a limped pot its hard to get stacks.

usual anti limping stuff, yada yada yada.
 
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What is "c/j" in "c/j turn"?

OK, admittedly the SB limping with utter crap is probably too much :D any idea on proper limp ranges with previous limpers?

Shouldn't I normally lose the most from BB?
 
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check/jam :) jam = shove = move all in

really it should just be your overlimping range, which for lower limit players is like small pocket pairs only imo.

and yeah, but this is assuming we don't count the money lost from blinds and just the hands VPIP with.
 
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Ah, OK, got it. Never saw that before :p I know what jam means but couldn't connect the dots.

Overlimping = cold calling right?
 
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overlimping = limping when someone in front has limped.

I thought cold calling was just flatting a raise, or is it flatting a 3bet when not involved in past action?

its one of the two.
 
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I think cold calling means both flatting a raise or even raise and reraise (generally I think this is not the best idea ever). Googled it :p

BTW I just run my KK into AA preflop AllIn and got stacked. Ouch :( then on another table run KK into 55 and won so it almost evened out :)
 
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Didnt even see the SB limp, my bad. Yeah easy fold pre, not to jump on the bandwagon or anything but 52 isnt gonna connect with enough flops to make it worth the 1c. We are almost never flopping a decent pair and rarely hitting str and flushes.
 
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I wouldnt really analyse into situations too much and try to draw conclusions, like you cant draw a conclusion that limping in the small blind is good with hands like 52s until WAYYYYYYYY over 100k hands because the situation comes up so infrequently. if you have to limp in spots like this use hands that arent good enough to raise (so not JTs or QTo) but arent bad enough to fold (so stuff like 67s,T8s, A8o)
 
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Regarding A8o - is there some kind of chart that explains how good are various suited and unsuited Aces?

I know that A5s has straight possibilities compared to A6s but I am completely out of my depth as to nuances regarding Ace quality.
 
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