$2 NLHE Full Ring: Facing All-In on the flop with 2nd best flush in the hand

UTG+1: $0.48
MP: $0.71
CO: $1.37
BTN: $2.97
SB: $2.31
BB: $1.50
Hero (UTG): $2.00

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG with K ♥ T ♥
Hero calls $0.02, 3 folds, BTN calls $0.02, 1 fold, BB checks

Flop: ($0.07) 8 ♥ 4 ♥ 2 ♥ (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.30, BTN raises to $2.95 all in, BB folds, Hero calls $1.68 all in

Turn: ($4.03) K ♦ (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($4.03) J ♠ (2 players - 2 are all in)

OK, I know limping is crap in EP but on this table I saw that everybody is super paranoid and preflop raisers never get paid so I tried more limping nits all over the place, so I also tried to play suited connectors more since almost everybody who got involved post flop had Broadway cards in the hand

Also, I purposefully overbet since everybody at the table thought I was an idiot anyway I made a very stupid call few hands before this one and paid off a nit holding AA so I decided to continue to make obvious "mistakes". I didn't exactly expect All In, was trying to look like a fish trying to bluff.

Anyway:

Villain is 16 / 9 / 1,5 (58 hands)

1. Call or fold?
2. What is the mathematical chance the villain actually has nut flush in the hand? I thought it is pretty damn slim but that is not why I called.

Fold pre. Then laugh at flop bet sizing.

Obvious call or do we only play the nuts?

I think you didn't really look into this (read carefully the explanations) the guy is going to push this only against an idiot (= my table image).

Okay sorry.

Fold pre.

Obvious call.

At this table almost nobody raised preflop so I thought loose limping is not so bad/risky. I do know the suggested range for UTG (medium PPs+, AQ+).

P.S. The forum is again blocking my posts so sorry about not answering for a while.

Just because the table isnt raising doesnt mean your game should go awol. Keep it tight and dont open limp.

youregoodmate said:

Fold pre. Then laugh at flop bet sizing.

Obvious call or do we only play the nuts?

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I open this at FR but I'm bad, don't listen to me.

fold > raise > limp

snap flop.. people online aren't paying ANY attention to you or what you did before, people at the super micros seem to talk more in the chat than at 10nl+ but they don't remember you paid off the nit 3 hands ago and it won't factor into their decision.

overbets not really that bad though, easy way to bloat the pot for normal sized turn and river bets for stacks.

If the table is allowing you to limp EP, I am one who sees some value in limping to see a flop. At 7 handed, I might 3x raise the suited K with the real possibility of having to fold pre, but your description of the table suggests no one is gonna re pop you. If the table were full, I would probably fold pre from EP. I have no issue with the PF play.

Once the 2nd nut flush hits, I would be committed. You know the naked Ah will at least call, and might shove, and of course a baby set is coming along, so it isn't quite the cake walk, but I'm not getting away from this situation.

What were the stats villain had on you telling him? Are all 58 of those hands from this session? Villains stats don't suggest he is either loose or tight at 9max, but would be tightish at a short handed table. That leaves solid, or timid. And I think from what I see I would tend to favor timid...up until his shove. So you are either wa/wb but with the hands that might be in play, you are probably less wb than a pure flush vs flush calc might describe.

Otherwise...serious cooler

The table is 9-handed but since most are nits then usually around 3 players see the flop.

All 58 hands were not from this session, in fact most were from before. I sat on this table maybe 5-10 hands ago and already made a horrid call few hands before this one.

I figured that if he had the nut flush in hand he would NOT shove AllIn but string me along, so I called. I just wondered about how it would be nice to know the actual probability 2 players have nut and 2nd nut flush on the flop at the same time

He had pocket 4s, which of course gave him a set and some outs for full house/quads (which would suck but it happens all the time).