Originally Posted by vinylspiros
i dont mind shoving here. first of all because we are going to get it in anyways. secondly because i figure there is a small possibility that we might get a fold since our hand is not made yet. if we dont ship we allow him to ship on the turn and we lose fold equity. am i wrong?
(im not too good at calculating fold equity. correct me if im totally wrong here.)
You are not wrong, we have no fold equity if we call twice. However, we have very little fold equity to begin with. Villain donked a pot sized bet into 2 other players, and will be getting 2.5:1 if we shove over his bet. He's got a hand he's willing to go down with. Shoving the flop is great when you have fold equity, but in this case you have none.
Also, it doesn't matter if we call or if all the money goes in on the flop. The EV is the same. However, if we call, sometimes the SB will come along. It's a huge EV win if he does.