$2 NLHE Full Ring: Donk play at the micros?

Party Poker - $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Holdem (9 players)
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SB: $1.92
BB: $0.60
UTG: $2 (sitting out)
UTG+1: $1.26
MP: $1.64
MP+1: $1.28
MP+2 Hero: $1.96
CO: $2
BTN: $1.50

Pre-flop: ($0.03) Hero is MP+2 and dealt
UTG+1 folds, MP calls $0.02, MP+1 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, CO folds, BTN calls $0.06, 2 folds, MP raises to $0.10, Hero calls $0.04, BTN calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.33) (4 players)
MP bets $0.02, Hero raises to $0.38, BTN raises to $1.40 (All-in), MP folds, Hero calls $1.02

Turn: ($3.15) (3 players)

River: ($3.15) (3 players)

I didnt have much information on villain but saw that he was playing pretty loose. Dont know if this is a donk play by me since odds if I had known villains cards say that I have an edge during the decision (of course I did not know what villain had in hand when making decision but felt that I was good and still had outs if villain had a Queen).

You're probably beaten on the flop, and you're probably ahead on the turn. At those stakes against an unknown player the range is HUGE. He could have AA-TT, AK-AT KQ, KJ, QJ, a spade draw, a straight draw.... i think you're ahead about 50% of the time, but its not a great place to call for all your chips. i would have folded and waited for a better opprotunity to put my money in..

Why raise the flop? Why raise so small preflop?

Before you raise the flop you have to know if you are committed to a shove or not. If you are committed then its fine.

In this spot though i dont feel comfy going all in in a min 3b pot 3way with 2ndprtk.

If the villain had a Q, you are a massive underdog. You will need a J or A to win. Thats 5 outs *4 =20% equity vs a Q. Now your J or A might not always be good. Maybe he has QJ or AQ. So you might be 15% equity in this case. Do you want to commit your entire stack with 15-20% equity knowing he has a Q? Thats like throwing away 4 buy ins to win 1.

We have no idea what anyone has but i dont think its worth calling off our stack here so i would fold as played.

Also raising to pot on the flop is unnecessary. They will call/raise/fold just as much if you bet 2/3 for example.

You should raise more preflop imo. 6c is fine if you are opening the pot. But you need to added more for the limpers. So 8c min here. On the flop, your raise of the donk bet is fine although I might make it a bit smaller. When the BTN goes all in unless he is a complete lunatic you are probably behind here more often than not. You don't really have odds if he has a queen. You have 5 outs at best.

I guess my thought process was one of curiosity and stealing. I raised a little to small preflop. I raised on the flop to take it down and suddenly faced a shove. I did not like calling the shove but a similar situation like this happened in a previous hand where villain would open shove his stack despite a flop bet. That time I had no connectivity to the board so I folded but I have no idea what these guys open shove flop with at this level. I later found out villain had a straight draw (KT) which makes me question the shoves players make at the micros.

People say raise more PRE, maybe you could but I don't mind 3x..but people still call 4x etc anyway that's fine.

However when you get donk3minbetted you have to now try and put a range of villians hands and how he's been playing but flatting here I think in general is WRONG espically considering if you call, button is likely to call because of pot odds. You either need to be 4betting if he's a loose donkey and be happy getting it in or just fold because you now have a sitation if an ace comes or a jack like in your case.

When he donk min bets the flop, I'm happy to raise like you did but the problem now with not 4betting and letting a 3 way pot here once you raise, you have to remember button is still in the hand and you're now committed to calling his shove and have to call it off but the in this spot, it isn't ideal. He's in most cases shoving a queen or strong draw which you now have to call.

Either just save the hassel, 4bet shove if he's a loose donk but it's horrid to be in this spot and 3betting the flop, to then have the button shove on you.

ClubArrow77 said:

I guess my thought process was one of curiosity and stealing. I raised a little to small preflop. I raised on the flop to take it down and suddenly faced a shove. I did not like calling the shove but a similar situation like this happened in a previous hand where villain would open shove his stack despite a flop bet. That time I had no connectivity to the board so I folded but I have no idea what these guys open shove flop with at this level. I later found out villain had a straight draw (KT) which makes me question the shoves players make at the micros.

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So your flop raise is a bluff?

I would think it was a semi bluff since I did have showdown value but I wanted to take down the pot then. Looking back and reading more, I see that villain could have been playing flush draws, straight draws, or could have had a Queen that had me beat but villain had been quite loose.

I'm not quite sure this qualifies as a semi-bluff.

Why did you want to take the pot down right then?

Raise more pre (10c)
Flat flop.

MP has shown a lot of strength, only reason I call pre is for the amazing odds, without an absolute miracle flop or miniscule bet I'm out of here. We've got the latter and some showdown value. We can value town the turn if it checks behind.

Absolutely no reason to bluff when villains range is polarized to monsters or nothing and we have showdown value.