$2 NLHE Full Ring: Day 20 Hand Analysis

Hand 1 - Villain 20/0 but not enough hands to have an actual read

UTG+1: $0.89
MP: $0.95
MP+1: $0.89
CO: $4.84
Hero (BTN): $1.97
SB: $2.03
BB: $2.00
UTG: $0.89

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has [Kc] [Qs]
fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.08, SB calls $0.07, fold

Flop: ($0.18, 2 players) [Qd] [8c] [6d]
SB checks, Hero bets $0.09, SB calls $0.09

Turn: ($0.36, 2 players) [9h]
SB checks, Hero bets $0.35, SB calls $0.35

River: ($1.06, 2 players) [5s]
SB checks, Hero checks


Questions
Should I have bet higher in the flop to give incorrect odds to the flush draw, like I did in the turn because of the straight draw?
I didn't bet in the river, no idea why... should I bet in the river?

Hand 2 - Villain is 50/17 but again very few hands

BTN was very nitty, so I went for a blind steal from CO. I had some success picking dead money from the table by just raising with good hands, so when I was in late position with something playable I had some steals.

BTN: $5.00
SB: $2.00
BB: $3.21
UTG: $0.70
UTG+1: $0.77
MP: $0.73
Hero (CO): $1.97

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has [10d] [Jd]
fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.08, fold, fold, BB calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.17, 2 players) [Jc] [9d] [2d]
BB bets $0.18, Hero calls $0.18

BB moved first. I had him on a set or overpair because of the bet he did with the table flushing. Thing was, I had top pair and a flush draw. I almost folded the hand but then I counted my outs. If he had a overpair I needed any T or J or diamond = 14 outs, aprox 56% and I had to pay aprox 33% of the pot. So I moved.

Turn: ($0.53, 2 players) [4d]
BB bets $0.50, Hero raises to $1.71 and is all-in, BB calls $1.21

River: ($3.95, 2 players) [4c]


I need your opinion if I played correctly or not. I've reviewed this hand a bunch of times and I'm pretty sure I played as I should but there might be some mistake here because if it happened to me, I'd be pretty sure the villain was just lucky. Usually I just fold if the odds are against me but I think I was ok, right?

Hand 1.

Ya, cbet flop 2/3 pot. 1/2 pot is losing value from your typical 2nl player. Pots grow exponentially, so if you make it .15 OTF(on the flop) you are setting yourself up to win a bigger pot on later streets.

There are draws out there and other Qx and one pair hands that will like to call at least the flop here to see what you do on the turn.

A bet on the river is kinda thin. It really depends on any reads you have on the player. VS some people Ill go for value because they are the type to call down with any pair and others Id gladly check behind.

Hand #2.

Totally std to open here with JTs on the CO esp with a tight BU.

This guy is probs calling from the blinds a lot with a VPIP of 50.You have the best hand here a lot of the time and like you said if you dont you still have a lot of equity in the hand. With a flop like this vs this guy I think Id be trying to get stacks OTF. NH.

Hand 1: Bet the flop more.

I don't change anything else.

c9h13no3 said:

Hand 1: Bet the flop more.

I don't change anything else.

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why don't u like raising flop here?

Tyler69 said:

why don't u like raising flop here?

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Ya, thats what I was gonna ask.

My guess would be that villain has air more often then not and if we raise we fold out all his air. If we call we can let him bluff the turn and get more value out of our hand.

but how often are villains at 2nl bluffing multiple streets with air?

Hand 1:

Pretty much what brank said. He'll be calling down with worse Qs, FDs, and SDs a ton of the time. I still kind of want to vbet river but just kind of small like half pot, what do you guys think?

Hand 2:
I like raising the flop, just know that if he calls, we're only playing to hit a flush and our jack might not be good, so if our FD doesn't hit try to get to showdown cheaply.

Tyler69 said:

but how often are villains at 2nl bluffing multiple streets with air?

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Not a ton for sure but dont forget we have position so we can still bet for value if they check the turn.


Id still like to hear c9's reason for calling flop though.

From what I've seen, shooting 3 barrels with air is almost exclusive of LAGs at this level. The other players usualy bet only when they have something, even bottom pair and raise if they have two pairs or higher regardless of board texture.

Regarding the raise in hand 1: I was OOP so how could I raise him? C/R?

RVladimiro said:

Regarding the raise in hand 1: I was OOP so how could I raise him? C/R?

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Pretty sure everyone is talking about hand 2 in regards to raising the flop.

Call flop because:

1) We have a shit-ton of implied odds, because we have position and he potted the flop which pretty much screams I LOVE MY HAND OMG OMG OMG!
2) Our jack is sometimes good, but if we raise, its not. We fold out (well, maybe...) hands like TT/9T/J8 that might donk the flop.

Basically, calling allows us to make a big pot when we hit our draw, and a small pot when we miss. I don't think villain is ever folding to a raise given his stats and pot-sized donk-lead, and there's just not that many draws in his range that we dominate that we want to stack on the flop.

For what it's worth, I'd often call the flop in this spot with T:diamond:8:diamond:.

What I'm most concerned about is that hero thought about folding :X.

Ah ok, well if he still pays us off when we hit then calling is the better way of going about it.

C9, if it was against an aggro bad reg(ex: 21/10/55) then wat.

bgomez89 said:

C9, if it was against an aggro bad reg(ex: 21/10/55) then wat.

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and wat if he didnt pot the flop which c9 u say says he loves his hand then

bgomez89 said:

C9, if it was against an aggro bad reg(ex: 21/10/55) then wat.

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Bad regs usually suck at folding as well, so I play it the same.

Tyler69 said:

and wat if he didnt pot the flop which c9 u say says he loves his hand then

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I play it the same.

I would raise & get in my worse draws mostly against good players. If I have showdown value like top pair, I'm probably not going to turn it into a semi-bluff in very many situations. But if I had a draw like 7:diamond:8:diamond:, I'd likely raise it against a thinking player because:

1) They will fold more when I hit my draw on later streets.
2) I'm drawing to the idiot end/a small flush, so I don't want to reverse implied odds myself.
3) Good players will donk-lead more than just monsters they're in love with, so we can fold some hands that have good equity against us.

Considering my own level I have to give that villain some respect. He did bet the pot, if it wasn't the top pair I would not have the right odds to continue and it feels to deliberate. When I called, he was not affraid of the flush and kept aggression. Either he is completely mindless or he made the wrong assumption about my range because I called his flop bet.

For some reason I'm giving this guy a lot of credit. He wasn't pushing bets like a maniac, thus my question. I'm not yet to the point of imagining a re-raise there I admit. What you are saying makes sense, a lot of it, but it didn't even cross my mind. Actually, it never does unless I'm on AA or KK.

I have a lot to learn... and I have to separate hands in threads!

RVladimiro said:

He did bet the pot, if it wasn't the top pair I would not have the right odds to continue

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implied odds

Are we calling a shove if we raise otf in hand 2???

peskey123 said:

Are we calling a shove if we raise otf in hand 2???

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That is a very good question. If he had shove the flop I don't know how I would react to it.

Well I was thinking raising flop and folding to a shove. Better than calling down IMO.

peskey123 said:

Well I was thinking raising flop and folding to a shove. Better than calling down IMO.

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That is the worst line I've ever seen. So you're going to raise, and then fold getting good odds on your draw that you might actually be a favorite with? Explain to me how that's a good line plz, because I'm really curious.

peskey123 said:

Well I was thinking raising flop and folding to a shove. Better than calling down IMO.

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