2$ NLHE Full Ring: Correct call with QQ?

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2$ NL HE Full Ring: Correct call with QQ?

Ok here's a little setup:

1) I've never posted a hand history before
2) I played this hand badly on all streets
2a) I know I need to raise preflop
2b) I know I need to raise postflop
3) I was a little beyond borderline tilty - I had just sat down and taken a bad beat with KK two or three hands before this.
4) I guess I was gun shy because of this.
4a) This is a whole list of reasons why I'm a bad player and need your help CC'ers!
5) Once I've fubar'd the hand this badly is it proper to call here? I just didn't feel like he would make this move with an Ace. However, I'm new to playing in ring games and don't know exactly how to spot a thief. I really don't have a read on this guy, like I said I had just sat down.


Stacks:

* Villain is ChaucersSquire with $2.86
* Hero on BTN with $1.35
* SB with $0.81
* BB with $3.06
* UTG with $0.45
* UTG+1 with $1.01
* MP1 with $2.46
* MP2 with $2.79

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Blinds: $0.01/$0.02
Site: full tilt poker
Dealt to Hero:Q♣ Q♥
Preflop:
* * 1 players fold.
* * UTG+1 raises to $0.06
* * 2 players fold.
* * chaucerssquire calls [$0.06] Hero calls [$0.06]
* * 1 players fold.
* * BB raises to $0.10
* * UTG+1 calls [$0.04]
* * chaucerssquire calls [$0.04] Hero calls [$0.04]
* * Potsize: $0.41
Flop: 7♠ 5♠ J♦
* * BB checks
* * UTG+1 bets [$0.10]
* * 1 players fold.
Hero calls [$0.10]
* * Potsize: $0.61
Turn: A♣
* * UTG+1 bets [$0.81, and is all in]
* * 1 players fold.
Hero calls [$0.81]


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If villain is UTG+1 (I'm confused by the HH, can't figure out who folded the turn eithe), his open raise range includes a lot of A's. His flop bet is silly small and looks weak, like a cbet on a board that missed him, and all of a sudden he shoves the A on the turn - looks like the turn hit him. His stack size is on the smallish side, 50BB - but not small enough that I'm willing to gamble here that he's purely bluffing.

Did you have any read on him that indicated he was capable of bluffing the A? Unless you have a specific read that the player is tricky somehow, I expect that bet to mean he hit - I'm folding.

Suggest buying in for at least 100BB in ring games...
 
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Buy-in full and enable auto reload, u whant to have a full stack so u get all the fishes money when u stack him.

3bet prf, u have a power house of a hand against wat is almost surdenly a fish.

Raise the flop Board is drawy, you have a over pair at 2nl get your money in as soon as possible.

Fold turn.

Use this converter next time http://www.stoxpoker.com/hand_history_converter/ .

Post more hands.
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Profit :)
 
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If villain is UTG+1 (I'm confused by the HH, can't figure out who folded the turn eithe)

I think that hand history is confusing too.....They list him with two different stack sizes...I'll try to get that worked out.

his open raise range includes a lot of A's. His flop bet is silly small and looks weak, like a cbet on a board that missed him, and all of a sudden he shoves the A on the turn - looks like the turn hit him. His stack size is on the smallish side, 50BB - but not small enough that I'm willing to gamble here that he's purely bluffing.

I suppose that this is the heart of my question. Do we believe that the A hit him? I maxed out my time bank trying to figure this out. I came to the conclusion that he was more scared of the A than I was and thought he could push me off of my hand.

Did you have any read on him that indicated he was capable of bluffing the A? Unless you have a specific read that the player is tricky somehow, I expect that bet to mean he hit - I'm folding.

Like I said, I had no read on him as I had only played a few hands at the table, so I had nothing specific. I was mostly just trusting my gut here.

Suggest buying in for at least 100BB in ring games...

I had bought in for 100bb and taken a beat with KK a couple of hands before. Do you mean you think I should have reloaded when I lost chips?
 
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Buy-in full and enable auto reload, u whant to have a full stack so u get all the fishes money when u stack him.

3bet prf, u have a power house of a hand against wat is almost surdenly a fish.

Raise the flop Board is drawy, you have a over pair at 2nl get your money in as soon as possible.

Fold turn.

Use this converter next time http://www.stoxpoker.com/hand_history_converter/ .

Post more hands.
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Profit :)

Sounds like 2 for 2 on the reload. I'm pretty new to this so I appreciate the fundamental advice on things like this in addition to help with the hand. I'll use the stoxpoker next time too :eek:)

I'll post the hand results later.
 
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I had bought in for 100bb and taken a beat with KK a couple of hands before. Do you mean you think I should have reloaded when I lost chips?

In a word... yes
 
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If villain is UTG+1 (I'm confused by the HH, can't figure out who folded the turn eithe), his open raise range includes a lot of A's. His flop bet is silly small and looks weak, like a cbet on a board that missed him, and all of a sudden he shoves the A on the turn - looks like the turn hit him. His stack size is on the smallish side, 50BB - but not small enough that I'm willing to gamble here that he's purely bluffing.

Did you have any read on him that indicated he was capable of bluffing the A? Unless you have a specific read that the player is tricky somehow, I expect that bet to mean he hit - I'm folding.

Suggest buying in for at least 100BB in ring games...

Very similar to what I was going to say.

Preflop should be raised to 3x the opening bet.

Flop should be raised 3/4 pot

I think, as is, I have to fold. The pot is very small, so we havent put much money into it. The hand has been played such that he really could have anything. It would be much easier to read it if preflop and flop were raised more.

I would asume his range is big enough to include all aces, all SC's and all PP.

He wakes up once the A hits, its consistant with his likely holdings. PP are dealt less than Ax.

The overbet shove seems way too big, but at these levels you cant really read too much into that.. people dont play too well so you cant look at a OB shove and think 'he fears the ace because any thinkingperson would welcome a call in this situation'

So overall its a fold.
 
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In a word... yes

I'm glad everyone is saying this. I rarely stray away from tournaments so it's great to hear things like this. I never really even considered reloading for some reason.
 
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I'm glad everyone is saying this. I rarely stray away from tournaments so it's great to hear things like this. I never really even considered reloading for some reason.
If your playing on PS or FT u can go to the lobby>Options>Auto reload and make it reload for u every time u fall below 100BB
 
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I'm glad everyone is saying this. I rarely stray away from tournaments so it's great to hear things like this. I never really even considered reloading for some reason.

You will find auto reload options on most sites, so you set it to reload to your buyin should your stack be reduced under that amount.

Never buy in short stacked.

Short stack strategy is not profitable under $100 - $200 NL due to the rake.

Try and avoid tables with more than 3 SS.. you really want a table where everyone buys in for around 100BB
 
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If your playing on PS or FT u can go to the lobby>Options>Auto reload and make it reload for u every time u fall below 100BB

ty sir....I'm doing this now! :D

You will find auto reload options on most sites, so you set it to reload to your buyin should your stack be reduced under that amount.

Never buy in short stacked.

Short stack strategy is not profitable under $100 - $200 NL due to the rake.

Try and avoid tables with more than 3 SS.. you really want a table where everyone buys in for around 100BB


I have been doing it wrong...so glad I got started posting here. I had been experimenting (unsuccessfully) with short stacking. To add to everything I've been doing wrong I was just playing at a table where there were 3 stacks under .20.

Thanks for all the great advice here Stu.
 
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Thanks so much! I will definitely read and hopefully learn from these. This is exactly what I needed; a crash course in the micros. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
 
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The Results Show

I'm not sure what went wrong when I used the CC hand converter but it should be easier to follow here; I reposted it with the stoxpoker link that sindri provided. Thanks again for all the great advice.

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HAND #1
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Full Tilt, $0.01/$0.02 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

CO: $2.86 (143 bb)
Hero (BTN): $1.35 (67.5 bb)
SB: $0.81 (40.5 bb)
BB: $3.06 (153 bb)
UTG+2: $0.45 (22.5 bb)
MP1: $1.01 (50.5 bb)
MP2: $2.46 (123 bb)
MP3: $2.79 (139.5 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with Q Q
UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.06, 2 folds, CO calls $0.06, Hero calls $0.06, SB folds, BB raises to $0.10, MP1 calls $0.04, CO calls $0.04, Hero calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.41) 7 5 J (4 players)
BB checks, MP1 bets $0.10, CO folds, Hero calls $0.10, BB folds

Turn: ($0.61) A (2 players)
MP1 bets $0.81 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.81

River: ($2.23) K (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results:[spoil] $2.23 pot ($0.14 rake)
MP1 showed K Q (a pair of Kings) and won $2.09 ($1.08 net)
Hero showed Q Q (a pair of Queens) and lost (-$1.01 net)
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I guess after flop you should have raised a big amount (at least 0.60).
Turn: A => I would throw.
 
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3-bet pre. Raise flop. Fold turn.
 
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3-bet pre. Raise flop.

Yep. I had this at the top of my post:

2a) I know I need to raise preflop
2b) I know I need to raise postflop

The "Fold Turn" is the part I was most interested in.
 
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