$2 NLHE Full Ring: Combo FD & OESD on Btn w/ loose villains betting & raising (2NL micro)

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$2 NLHE Full Ring: Combo FD & OESD on Btn w/ loose villains betting & raising (2NL micro)

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 62/15/3.8

I raise small suited connectors from the button and get into a good situation on flop w/ 3 caller and a combo draw. It's a well hidden inside SD and a low FD. BB is a maniac (62/15/3.8), UTG is a weak fish (52/5/1.1), and MP2 is a very loose fish (67/7/1.0) who's basically short stacked.

The flop is Bet, Raised, Called.... Do I shove?or just call?

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.02(BB) Replayer
SB ($1.98)
BB ($9.66)
 UTG ($3.02)
UTG+1 ($1.51)
UTG+2 ($2)
MP1 ($2)
MP2 ($0.82)
CO ($2)
 Hero ($2.67)
Dealt to Hero 5
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UTG calls $0.02, fold, fold, fold, MP2 calls $0.02, fold, Hero raises to $0.10, fold, BB calls $0.08, UTG calls $0.08, MP2 calls $0.08

FLOP ($0.41) 8
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BB bets $0.06, UTG raises to $0.12, MP2 calls $0.12, Hero???
 
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Just looking at a few of your hands you have posted you seem very keen to shove - I suggest you're probably losing a lot of value by shoving when you have the best and worst of it...when you have a monster you wanna build the pot so that a shove on a later street has a better chance of being called...equally you wanna be careful shoving is spots where the only hands that are likely to call you will be better than yours.

However you do not want to shove here. You need to proceed with caution (if at all)...getting called pre by two players when you isolate and then seeing a bet and a call on the flop should set the alarm bells ringing. Honestly? You can find better spots than this to stack these fish. You're getting fairly decent odds here to call but are only drawing to the nuts on your inside straight draw and you shouldn't really be chasing these...you don't wanna raise as they will call so I'd probably just bin this. Also, if you are looking to iso raise pre make it bigger - if you feel you have a post flop advantage and villain will fold a ton of flops make him pay to see it.
 
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pokerman27 said:
Just looking at a few of your hands you have posted you seem very keen to shove - I suggest you're probably losing a lot of value by shoving when you have the best and worst of it...when you have a monster you wanna build the pot so that a shove on a later street has a better chance of being called...equally you wanna be careful shoving is spots where the only hands that are likely to call you will be better than yours.

However you do not want to shove here. You need to proceed with caution (if at all)...getting called pre by two players when you isolate and then seeing a bet and a call on the flop should set the alarm bells ringing. Honestly? You can find better spots than this to stack these fish. You're getting fairly decent odds here to call but are only drawing to the nuts on your inside straight draw and you shouldn't really be chasing these...you don't wanna raise as they will call so I'd probably just bin this. Also, if you are looking to iso raise pre make it bigger - if you feel you have a post flop advantage and villain will fold a ton of flops make him pay to see it.
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If we are willing to play 56s I think you need to be willing to get it all in on the flop. The flop can't get much better than this we at least have to raise.
 
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pokerman27 said:
Just looking at a few of your hands you have posted you seem very keen to shove - I suggest you're probably losing a lot of value by shoving when you have the best and worst of it...when you have a monster you wanna build the pot so that a shove on a later street has a better chance of being called...equally you wanna be careful shoving is spots where the only hands that are likely to call you will be better than yours.
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Yeah, I can't tell you how many times I hear this -- that bets (or shoves) will fold out worse hands, but only better hands will call. For some reason I'm not taking this concept to the tables. Arrg. :argh:


Also, if you are looking to iso raise pre make it bigger - if you feel you have a post flop advantage and villain will fold a ton of flops make him pay to see it.
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Just noticed it was a little undersized. I usually do 4xbb + 1 per limper. Thanks!
 
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mikejm said:
If we are willing to play 56s I think you need to be willing to get it all in on the flop. The flop can't get much better than this we at least have to raise.
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This doesn't make any sense. I might even agree with raising, but the flop being the best flop possible, and playing 56s preflop are horrible reasons to raise.
 
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