$2 NLHE Full Ring: classic KK vs 4 bet shove

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PokerStars Hand #185686903346: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - 2018/04/26 16:39:56 CUST [2018/04/26 4:39:56 ET]
Table 'Lilliana' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: LLUVV ($1.84 in chips)
Seat 2: Enterfly ($1.81 in chips)
Seat 3: pokersito84 ($2.01 in chips)
Seat 4: greezex ($2.68 in chips)
Seat 7: ser447787 ($2.09 in chips)
Seat 8: KTO-TOooo ($2.31 in chips)
Seat 9: Peca1481 ($3.96 in chips)
pokersito84: posts small blind $0.01
greezex: posts big blind $0.02
Gemser: sits out
KTO-TOooo: posts small & big blinds $0.03
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to LLUVV [Kh Ks]
ser447787: raises $0.12 to $0.14
KTO-TOooo: folds
Peca1481: folds
LLUVV: raises $0.36 to $0.50
Enterfly: folds
pokersito84: folds
greezex: folds
ser447787: raises $1.59 to $2.09 and is all-in
LLUVV: calls $1.34 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($0.25) returned to ser447787
*** FLOP *** [Qc 5s 9h]
*** TURN *** [Qc 5s 9h] [2d]
*** RIVER *** [Qc 5s 9h 2d] [Js]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ser447787: shows [Ah Ac] (a pair of Aces)
LLUVV: shows [Kh Ks] (a pair of Kings)
ser447787 collected $3.61 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $3.74 | Rake $0.13
Board [Qc 5s 9h 2d Js]
Seat 1: LLUVV showed [Kh Ks] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 2: Enterfly (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: pokersito84 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: greezex (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: ser447787 showed [Ah Ac] and won ($3.61) with a pair of Aces
Seat 8: KTO-TOooo folded before Flop
Seat 9: Peca1481 folded before Flop (didn't bet)




I don't have much information for this player
but I do think the 7bb raise is weird.
Though, I think my KK is great so I 3 bet.
The question is, should I call the 4 bet shove by villan.


I think the villan maybe 4 bet shove for some bluff
so their range will be AKo AKs QQ+ maybe some A2s / A3s
and if that is the case, our eqity would be 60%


if they won't 4 bet shove for bluff
our eqity versus their range would be 57%


That's my thought


But since I have countered so many KK vs 4 bet shove situation
that turned out that they show me AA


So are their range such narrow that like AA/KK/AKs ?
Should I call the 4 bet shove
And what should I call the raise, and how do I play postflop?


Thanks for answering

Well the preflop sizing of the V is big tell but still there are so many retards on 2NL that I can't see any other option than to call the 4bet and occasionally face AA but I would say there are a lot of players who would 4bet jam any suited broadway ace or any pocket pair higher that 77.

I think its just a std cooler and I call the 4bet

Without history, you'd better call the shove here. But you can consider folding when facing a passive villain that has close to zero PFR/3 bet/4 bet ratio over a large sample of hands who effectively only raise with AA.

quant1986 said:

Without history, you'd better call the shove here. But you can consider folding when facing a passive villain that has close to zero PFR/3 bet/4 bet ratio over a large sample of hands who effectively only raise with AA.

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Totally agree.

I use to play MTT, and it's the kind of situation you want to avoid in early game, and maybe a call in bubble/late game. Depends on your stake.

For cash game, there is no such a thing like bubble or 'the next hand'. It's all about that particular pot. And for that pot, KK shouldn't be in a bad position too often.
You could have faced AQ, AK and win the pot.
For AA vs KK > AA has 82% of winning (pre-flop)
For AQ/AK vs KK > KK has 69-72% of winning (pre-flop).

So, it can easily be a call. The main driver lays on your perception of the V. Some of then just can slow play an AA.

Looks like you got your money in and so did they. I would probably do the same.

$2 NLHE Full Ring: classic KK vs 4 bet shove

Thanks for all those reply
I'm unsure of the decision cause I encounter the situation for 5,6 times at NL2
and always being stacked by AA
So I'm wondering if I underrated their range
But sounds like you guys won't put them in such a strong range.
Sounds like the call is the right thing to do!
gl for u guys, thanks a lot!

I don't see how you can fold here with KK... Unless you know Villain is only going all-in with AA. You did the right thing bro, just bad luck to run up against AA.

With no information and at these stakes, I wouldn't factor in a 4-bet shove as a bluff with weak suited Aces. That said, I think you have to call here.

Just a cooler.Folding KK in any situation is almost unthinkable.