$2 NLHE Full Ring: Check these shoves. Am I spewing around or losing value?

Luvart

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I want your opinion on these situations.

I've found myself doing these shoves pretty often at 2NL, I just can't stand slowplaying TPTK/overpair hands vs these retards who limp all the time pre and call with tragicomic hands.

Am I losing value or I'm just spewing around chips like a monkey?

1st)Seat 1: Player 1 ($2.12 in chips)
Seat 2: Player 2 ($1.57 in chips)
Seat 3: Player 3 ($2.28 in chips)
Seat 4: Villain ($1.29 in chips)
Seat 5: Player 5 ($4.01 in chips)
Seat 6: Player 6 ($2.40 in chips)
Seat 7: Hero ($4 in chips)
Seat 8: Player 8 ($2.44 in chips)
Seat 9: Player 9 ($0.77 in chips)
Player 2: posts small blind $0.01
Player 3: posts big blind $0.02

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to Hero [Tc 7c]
Villain: calls $0.02
Fold
Fold
Hero: raises $0.05 to $0.07
Fold
Fold
Fold
Fold
Fold
Villain: calls $0.05

*** FLOP *** [9d 8c Qs]

Villain
: checks
Hero: bets $0.09
Villain: raises $0.09 to $0.18
Hero: calls $0.09

*** TURN *** [9d 8c Qs] J♦
Villain: bets $0.30
Hero: raises $1.69 to $1.99.......


2nd)Seat 1: Hero ($2.05 in chips)
Seat 2: Player 2 ($3.56 in chips)
Seat 3: Player 3 ($2.02 in chips)
Seat 4: Player 4 ($2.58 in chips)
Seat 5: Player 5 ($1.75 in chips)
Seat 6: Villain ($0.66 in chips)
Seat 7: Player 7 ($0.48 in chips)
Seat 8: Player 8 ($0.99 in chips)
Seat 9: Player 9 ($2 in chips)
Player 2: posts small blind $0.01
Player 3: posts big blind $0.02

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to Hero [Qd Qc]
Fold
Fold
Villain: calls $0.02
Fold
Fold
Fold
Hero: raises $0.22 to $0.24
Fold
Fold
Villain: calls $0.22
Fold

*** FLOP *** [4h 7d 2s]

Villain: checks
Hero: bets $1.81 and is all-in......
 
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It can work against fish with the qq hand but we really need to change lines to regs.

Id say half on flop n then shove turn. You will get value from medium pp but also ppl who peel too much like ak
 
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T7 - you are a dog to a range that will a shove , villain is only just over half stacked so likely a fish so any T is possible for him plus some hand that tie with you but have the flush redraw + hands that tie and have better straight redraws and KT has you crushed
http://www.pokerstrategy.com
Board: 9dQs8cJd
equity Win Tie
MP2 55.32% 11.24% 44.08% { TT, KTs, JTs, T9s, T6s-T2s, AdKd, AdTd, QdTd, Td8d, Td7d, ATo, KTo, QTo, JTo, T2o+ }
MP3 44.68% 0.60% 44.08% { Tc7c }

against parts of that range you are totally crushed
http://www.pokerstrategy.com
Board: 9dQs8cJd
Equity Win Tie
MP2 84.02% 72.46% 11.56% { KTs, AdKd, AdTd, QdTd, Td8d, Td7d, KTo }
MP3 15.98% 4.41% 11.56% { Tc7c }

just call and get the money in on a non diamond river


QQ - same sort of situation by shoving you are selecting for the part of his range that has good equity against you. he limp called pre , you just fold his air and a lot of his draws by shoving . his air will contain lots of overcards that fish would call a cbet with hoping to hit
 
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T7 - you are a dog to a range that will a shove , villain is only just over half stacked so likely a fish so any T is possible for him plus some hand that tie with you but have the flush redraw + hands that tie and have better straight redraws and KT has you crushed
http://www.pokerstrategy.com
Board: 9dQs8cJd
Equity Win Tie
MP2 55.32% 11.24% 44.08% { TT, KTs, JTs, T9s, T6s-T2s, AdKd, AdTd, QdTd, Td8d, Td7d, ATo, KTo, QTo, JTo, T2o+ }
MP3 44.68% 0.60% 44.08% { Tc7c }

against parts of that range you are totally crushed
http://www.pokerstrategy.com
Board: 9dQs8cJd
Equity Win Tie
MP2 84.02% 72.46% 11.56% { KTs, AdKd, AdTd, QdTd, Td8d, Td7d, KTo }
MP3 15.98% 4.41% 11.56% { Tc7c }

just call and get the money in on a non diamond river

I will have to study this a bit, some good points.

Well, what is the problem for me:

Of course there is some part of his range that beat me, but I think that many players overcrediting their fish opponents in these situations. I have serious misgivings if fish at the nanos and micros have the mental ability to think about "what's opponent's range", "my range is ahead of his", "i don't have equity against his bet"...etc.....

I am almost sure that the guy would call my bet with any two pairs, even with third pair 9x.....

On the turn I have the second nuts and apart from an opponent's K10 (i have a 10 blocker) there is just a minority of hands in his range that beat me.

BtW he called me with pocket 88....wtf?...... and hit a Q on the river..........

In the second hand he called me with AK (he open-limped pre being short-stacked....) and hit a K on the river too......

Really, can someone put these retards in a range ? This is why in these situations i tend to play hyper-aggressively against their whole range when I have a solid hand.

I don't know, I will have to think it more......
 
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I will have to study this a bit, some good points.

Well, what is the problem for me:

Of course there is some part of his range that beat me, but I think that many players overcrediting their fish opponents in these situations. I have serious misgivings if fish at the nanos and micros have the mental ability to think about "what's opponent's range", "my range is ahead of his", "i don't have equity against his bet"...etc.....
which is where you exploit them , they will call when they shouldn't because its not profitable and can fold when its not profitable to call their bets.

I am almost sure that the guy would call my bet with any two pairs, even with third pair 9x.....

On the turn I have the second nuts and apart from an opponent's K10 (i have a 10 blocker) there is just a minority of hands in his range that beat me.#

Looks to me like you are overvaluing the relative strength of your hand , sure its 2nd nuts at the moment but is vulnerable to hands that have good equity against you.
BtW he called me with pocket 88....wtf?...... and hit a Q on the river..........

He did raise you on the flop and you called his raise with an openender , not much difference in him calling with outs to a boat/quads that would beat any straights , and with you shoving he may have taken it as a bluff trying to buy the pot

In the second hand he called me with AK (he open-limped pre being short-stacked....) and hit a K on the river too......

Really, can someone put these retards in a range ? This is why in these situations i tend to play hyper-aggressively against their whole range when I have a solid hand.
Your problem is that you don't see the problem in the way that you are playing these hands , with the massive raise in the QQ you got him to put a third of his stack in preflop which just left him a pot sized bet . He's only calling that initial raise with a good hand (even fish can fold their trash in that situation) so he's virtually committed to the handyou were still 75% favourite and he just hit his 25% chance. If you'd bet smaller pre, cbet smaller he may well have folded since he had a lot less invested in the pot and had missed it.

I don't know, I will have to think it more......
 
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