$2 NLHE Full Ring: Calling river AllIn with a missed draw

UTG+1: $0.51
UTG+2: $2.00
MP1: $2.90
MP2: $2.00
CO: $2.44
Hero (BTN): $3.35
SB: $0.71
BB: $2.11
UTG: $1.99

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with T ♦ Q ♣
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.02, 4 folds, Hero raises to $0.10, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.23) J ♦ A ♠ J ♠ (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $0.16, UTG+1 calls $0.16

Turn: ($0.55) 8 ♠ (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks

River: ($0.55) 6 ♣ (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $0.25 all in, Hero calls $0.25

I am sure this is pretty cringe worthy stuff. My logic here was that since I wasn't reraised on the flop the villain has nothing here and the AllIn is a short stack bluff.

1. How optimistic was my thinking?
2. Should I have bet the turn, therefore pretty much forcing the villain to go AllIn?

Villain is so short and looks like a donkey that he could have absolutely anything here, once the cbet fails just give up.

OK, thx.

Yoshimiii said:

Villain is so short and looks like a donkey that he could have absolutely anything here, once the cbet fails just give up.

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Edit: when I said "anything" i meant anything that beats u e.g. 2/2+ as they are much more likely than a weird bluff.

So I shouldn't have called the river? "River shoves are never bluffs", or however it goes?

Problem is, I catch people bluffing rivers all the time if they are short on chips, it is "one last gamble" kind of thing I presume.

You have Q high, QUEEN HIGH. You're getting ~1:3 to make the call, therefore you have to be right ~25% of the time to break even. I would bet most of my bankroll that he had you beat more than 75% of the time in this situation. If you had 8/x +, this is probably a call, anything under this then I would probably fold.

Yea I am giving up these type of calls until I grow a poker brain and probably even then

LD1977 said:

So I shouldn't have called the river? "River shoves are never bluffs", or however it goes?

Problem is, I catch people bluffing rivers all the time if they are short on chips, it is "one last gamble" kind of thing I presume.

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Nothing is ever going to be 100% consistent in poker or from what Ive learned so far there hasnt been. Turn and river raises are a strong play which usually means a strong hand.

Yes you will get the odd player who jams and your Q high is going to be good but the times that this is good is never going to outweigh the times that your wrong. You're not going to progress as a poker player making hero calls with Q high.

Remember the stakes you're at. Its 2NL. All you have to do is play with initiative, position in the hand, value-bet when we have it, and learn to fold

I don't like trying to iso a 25bb player preflop. As played pre, I bet 14 on the flop and check or fold to a bet the rest of the way

0.16 is 2/3 of the pot, I thought it is standard size for this kind of situation?

As for Queen high, well if he is bluffing on this board then other then a K I am good stupid logic I know but at least there was SOME kind of thought process going on.

"Remember the stakes you're at. Its 2NL. All you have to do is play with initiative, position in the hand, value-bet when we have it, and learn to fold "
-- I actually try to do this limping from the SB is something I am trying to reduce but when I see like 5 limpers I can't resist it. I cbet WAY too much since I didn't know the rules about that so I just pressed people and they mostly folded

P.S. Not trying to brag here - the sample is microscopic, I had extremely good tables (playing one table at a time too since I am not very good at even slightly complicated stuff) and am fully aware that I have almost no idea about what I am doing yet. Do you guys see anything horrible in the stats at a glance?

Play less from sb and more from co and button I think